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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by Sabinus »

alex1138 wrote: post #74
shakna wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RFK's reliance on terrain theory, disproved continually since some five hundred years ago, does much to assist in citations - it is common to cite bad science as evidence where we need to improve public comprehension.

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I don't approve of the downvoting and flagging, if there's anywhere on the internet that conspiracy ideas can be constructively pushed back on it should be here.

That being said you're not making very detailed defences of RFK's book and ideas. Can you be more specific on some ideas or claims from his book that you believe in and how they're supported?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by mullingitover »

dehrmann wrote: post #107
wetpaws wrote: post #73

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Nothingburger like pretty much everything that antivaxers talk about

Dismissing people like this is part of what fuels the antivax movement. Vaccines are generally effective, but they're not perfect and have side effects, and failing to acknowledge that when someone is asking in in good faith polarizes people and makes it look like someone's trying to hide something.

Dismissing people who dismiss the antivax movement like this is part of what fuels the anti-anti-vax movement.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by amluto »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #87
yieldcrv wrote: post #56

> The researchers emphasize that, like all vaccines, mRNA vaccines can have side effects. They found that serious adverse events—such as myocarditis, which occurs more frequently in younger males—are rare and consistently outweighed by the vaccines’ protection reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 y…

> reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse Do you know if the vaccine prevented the virus-induced myocarditis? Cause the vaccine didn't do much to stop people from getting covid, multiple times even. So many people frame this as either/or, you either had the risk of covid induced myocarditis or you had the (supposed) lesser risk of myocarditis fr…

The comparison of cardiovascular safety with vs without the vaccine is not even close:

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/covid-19-vaccinati...

(Personally, I wish researchers would not forgot quite so often that there is a non-mRNA COVID vaccine available in the US. Where's all the analysis of the effects of the Novavax vaccine?)

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by mullingitover »

babypuncher wrote: post #99
javea71 wrote: post #79

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I think you'll find there's a rational distrust in big pharma

Two things can be true: Big Pharma can be evil, and their products are much better vetted for safety and efficacy than random peptides sourced form mystery factories.

The Venn diagram of people who distrust big pharma and the people who uncritically trust the far larger “wellness” industry is a circle.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

squeedles wrote: post #46

Manufacturing matters, and six years ago, I said that one side effect from the pandemic is that mRNA technology, which had been lab-scale stuff, suddenly had dump-trucks full of money appearing to help them scale their manufacturing. They apparently settled on the the sequences for the original covid vacs in a weekend. Going from that design to billions of doses is one of the hardest things to do, but once done, will…

> but nobody wanted to invest in anything better.

Not sure if you mean nobody wanted to develop mRNA flu vaccines, but at least Moderna and Pfizer are:

https://www.npr.org/2026/06/18/nx-s1-5863570/flu-vaccine-mrn...

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by airstrike »

cedws wrote: post #143
nxc18 wrote: post #128

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Seatbelts and airbags sometimes kill people, too. Sometimes people die in unlucky ways.

Healthy children and young adults were at very little risk from COVID though. Seatbelts are a safety measure that applies almost uniformly across age groups.

Healthy individuals spread the disease to others, ultimately killing more people than the infinitesimal odds from getting vaccinated at the height of the pandemic

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by no-name-here »

vfclists wrote: post #132
manwe150 wrote: post #101

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Why would repeating a study now and getting the same result as when it was first measured in 2020 be a reason to doubt the safety? I’m also pro-vax, so I don’t think it is correct to equate ignoring the preponderance of current evidence (in 2021 or 2026) for vaccine protection as being careful. That just seems the logical fallacy sold by “vax hesitant” and social media influencers to make people feel smart to ignore…

What does being "pro-vax" mean? That you believe in any claims of vaccine efficacy made by the manufacturers or the FDA and are more then willing to have them injected into your body?

If you don't believe every developed countries’ medical bodies on vaccines, where do you get your info on this? (As to the ‘pro-vax’ question, I'd define it as someone who is open to listening the medical bodies of every developed country on the planet.)

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by RandomLensman »

d--b wrote: post #141
manwe150 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would repeating a study now and getting the same result as when it was first measured in 2020 be a reason to doubt the safety? I’m also pro-vax, so I don’t think it is correct to equate ignoring the preponderance of current evidence (in 2021 or 2026) for vaccine protection as being careful. That just seems the logical fallacy sold by “vax hesitant” and social media influencers to make people feel smart to ignore…

By late 2020, when they got approved, the vaccines were not scientifically proven safe for mainstream use. No other mRNA vaccine had been through all the trial stages, and certainly not those COVID ones. Could the vaccines have side effects that became visible after 6 months? Yes and we couldn’t have known that they didn’t. Could the vaccines have side effects on people with rare conditions? Sure, and we couldn’t hav…

How large a trial do you want to run to capture "rare conditions"? Millions? Billions of participants? How long do you want to run trials? Years? Decades?

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by jrflowers »

dehrmann wrote: post #107
wetpaws wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothingburger like pretty much everything that antivaxers talk about

Dismissing people like this is part of what fuels the antivax movement. Vaccines are generally effective, but they're not perfect and have side effects, and failing to acknowledge that when someone is asking in in good faith polarizes people and makes it look like someone's trying to hide something.

It is okay to dismiss negligible things. People sustain a lot of injuries and die in their bathrooms but it would be insane to both-sides somebody’s campaign against taking shits

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6022a1.htm

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by mchusma »

I really feel that many of the issues with mRNA vaccines and health studies in general are generalizations like “safe and effective”. Everything has statistical risks and benefits, and we should just share those front and center with people. Eg test results for X mean you have a Y% chance of having X, given your history and symptoms and other results. Here are low cost low risk marginal things you can do to improve statistical significance.

Similar for vaccines, just give us the numbers clearly and upfront.

This bypasses regulators from having to make claims beyond “we reviewed the data and agree with these numbers and feel that this should not be banned.” I do think it would also help to separate something “not banned” and being “required to be covered by insurance” or “required for professions like the military”. I think trying to simplify things makes things worse, because this abstraction is not real.

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