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Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by fullstackchris »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #260
himata4113 wrote: post #194

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

so... long term here meaning until the next frontier model comes out?

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Post by versteegen »

themgt wrote: post #301
skerit wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't really understand the entire strategy behind this. Or their horrible, horrible communication. Because right now it's as if Fable/Mythos 5 is "the end of the line". It's as if this is the best their models are ever going to be. So what the hell are we going to get next? All of their models will forever inch closer to Fable, but never reach it? That doesn't make any sense. It all seems so dramatic. Instead…

afaik there's somewhat painful economics. Not sure back-of-napkin but something like: • 150-500B: Sonnet • 0.9-2T: Opus • 3-5T/10T: Fable / Mythos So if bigger model is "smarter" but you effectively wind up with a "shared hosting" model where a coherent inherence node(s) that cost $2m or something can run max 10x customer workloads simultaneously ... not sure what that can be priced at. If it turns out a $10m/10x sha…

Fable/Mythos are based on the same model. Not totally clear whether they have identical weights (just different external guardrails), or there's also some slight finetuning difference.

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Post by calvinmorrison »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #309
dakolli wrote: post #262

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Why would you believe anything an intelligence agency says? Half their job is spreading fear and obfuscating the truth.

Half? What’s the other half?

lookin at their high school sweet hearts private DMs

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Post by 3fffss »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #319
matheusmoreira wrote: post #242

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No. The "good guys" are the ones who provide permanent value: open weight models, hardware we can afford, purchase and own. The good guys offer sovereignty . The "you'll buy intelligence from us on a meter" rent seekers are technofeudalists. Just a bunch of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" oligarchs who must be resisted at all costs. Anthropic had a reputation for ethics at first but it quickly became clear i…

So... it IS China, not just companies in China. And why would the CCP want to give out open weights, hmm? Because they are all kindness and love? No. It is just their approach to counter dominance in the space by Western frontier labs. No need to make moral attributions..it is everything, and I mean everything, about Great Power Competition.

That is literally the point of world trade buddy... lmao

Its just funny how there is some scary boogeyman around China. You do realise the idiotic west gave china everything - from know-how, techniques to IP by benefitting from lower costs of production?

What they are doing is pretty fair game.

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Post by pkoird »

crancher wrote: post #294
ofjcihen wrote: post #191

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Off and on topic I guess but: Language and Thermodynamics? Like, the same book? That sounds interesting.

Holding symbols in a useful order durably and accessibly is an ongoing energetic event. How/why does it happen?

My old thermodynamics professor used to say: the answer's always entropy.

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Post by dopa42365 »

fullstackchris wrote: post #321
matheusmoreira wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

so... long term here meaning until the next frontier model comes out?

In a year you can watch a documentary on the mythos of Mythos (that outdated model in case you forgot already).

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by senordevnyc »

applicative wrote: post #314
latentsea wrote: post #295

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These days an LLM + a harness can one-shot playable Minecraft clones. This tech has come a long way since it was first released.

You are saying: it turns out that one-shot playable Minecraft clones are actually pretty simple. Maybe it seemed a hard problem to programmers, but why not just say that the verifiable-rewards training has shown that their skill is unusually simple?

What a great example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by seer »

Schiendelman wrote: post #84
JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #18

I really hope they reconsider adding Fable access back to the subscription plans, at least the 20x plan. I know it was the original intention when the 14 day (I think) time frame was originally announced, and they were working to keep it on subscription plans. But no word if thats even a thing anymore?

The market will force them to bring it back. They're probably capacity constrained right now, or need to figure out whether they need another pricing tier for it to "fit in a subscription". What they don't want is for someone to code for 4 days of the week and cap out every week.

Ha! It’s silly easy for me to bum in the “premium” tier - the highest one my employer is able to select for me.

With proper skills and validations, it’s quite easy for me to spin out a Claude instance and keep it running in the background for every idea / problem / bug etc.

Like for example when a new request comes in, or when I have an idea for refactor / improvement, I brainstorm, weed out all the uncertainty and details, then just create a plan and let if follow it (using sonnet / haiku for execution)

I would have 4-5 simultaneous instances running - and all of them produce valuable results.

But then 2-3 days into a week I hit my weekly limit.

And the company can’t pay more for me within Anthropic’s enterprise structure, except for the “extra” api costs. Which itself sounds quite silly to me.

I’ve resorted to running the brainstorming and planning with Claude, but have other tools / companies execute the actual implementation… doesn’t work as well but what can you do…

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