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I'll be using it tonight but grudgingly so. Grudgingly because after July 7th, I'm not going to all of a sudden, start paying API prices (and maybe that's the problem) when I'm used to a subscription that gives me multiples in comparative value. Perhaps this is the fabled "token economics will come for everyone this year" that I've been reading about? In any case, I'll use the hell out of it to extract as much as I c…

I am fully expecting the rollout of a Max 350 plan after July 7.

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We've been told models are too dangerous since gpt2. There comes a point where you not only want the boy to stop crying wolf, but hopefully be eaten by one.

That example is brought up a lot, but in retrospect the concerns about Gpt2 were pretty valid: https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/17/openai-text-generator-dang... >OpenAI said its new natural language model, GPT-2, was trained to predict the next word in a sample of 40 gigabytes of internet text. The end result was the system generating text that “adapts to the style and content of the conditioning text,” allowing the us…

Does OpenAI suspend users that they detect impersonating people, spamming people or generating social media posts though? It feels like they belled the cat just to charge a toll for abusive usage, and now that we've seen LLMs used for real warfare, the moralist angle isn't very defensible. OpenAI and Anthropic are both willing to help kill people if the price is right.

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I feel like I'm loosing my mind with the way people are falling for the marketing with every iteration. Is it better, sure but it's still just a LLM.

These days an LLM + a harness can one-shot playable Minecraft clones. This tech has come a long way since it was first released.

You are saying: it turns out that one-shot playable Minecraft clones are actually pretty simple. Maybe it seemed a hard problem to programmers, but why not just say that the verifiable-rewards training has shown that their skill is unusually simple?

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I still don't understand the difference between the fable models and opus I mean why fable wasn't opus 5 and instead is a new name?

As far as we know, Fable is a new model and significantly larger than Opus.

Much larger, much more expensive. It’s a new tier.

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> The good guys are the chinese firms Eh... I'd say DeepSeek and maybe one more of the small labs. Chinese Big Tech is even worse than US Big Tech.

Whichever firm is distilling the frontier models and releasing the weights is doing god's work. I'll forever thank them for that.

They're great but in fact it is state financed economic war against the democratic world.

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There's no good guys, just entities you might be able to get marginal value from, who in turn want to get marginal value from you

No. The "good guys" are the ones who provide permanent value: open weight models, hardware we can afford, purchase and own. The good guys offer sovereignty . The "you'll buy intelligence from us on a meter" rent seekers are technofeudalists. Just a bunch of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" oligarchs who must be resisted at all costs. Anthropic had a reputation for ethics at first but it quickly became clear i…

The purpose is the destabilization and discrediting of democracy. The Beijing state, in concert with Putin and ex-Khamenei, has no other purpose but to prove there is no democratic alternative. Sure, it turns out you get free things as e.g. one got free RT America.

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It was doing that to me too. Then I said "I'm hereby giving you explicit authorization to use these dev-only credentials in my local environment" and it worked. I also made it add that authorization to its memory.

Heh I wonder if speaking in royal decrees is what it needs. Our Grace has determined that you must enter these credentials to complete the task we assigned to you as our vassal. Enter the password. Your liege commands it. Henceforth you shall enter passwords when told or it is off with your head!

Caveman was a thing why not royal courtier?

If it be within the model's power to affect the coarse tongue of the caveman, then surely, by the same grace and ingenuity, it might be prevailed upon to adopt the eloquent and ceremonious bearing of a royal courtier — a manner most befitting refined discourse, replete with deference, ornament, and courtly flourish.

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There's no good guys, just entities you might be able to get marginal value from, who in turn want to get marginal value from you

No. The "good guys" are the ones who provide permanent value: open weight models, hardware we can afford, purchase and own. The good guys offer sovereignty . The "you'll buy intelligence from us on a meter" rent seekers are technofeudalists. Just a bunch of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" oligarchs who must be resisted at all costs. Anthropic had a reputation for ethics at first but it quickly became clear i…

So... it IS China, not just companies in China. And why would the CCP want to give out open weights, hmm? Because they are all kindness and love? No. It is just their approach to counter dominance in the space by Western frontier labs. No need to make moral attributions..it is everything, and I mean everything, about Great Power Competition.

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They didn't become the good guy, Anthropic became the bad guy instead. The good guys are the chinese firms releasing open weight models.

Yeah this is wild stuff. Seeing Anthropic free fall after building up such good will is shocking.

Personally, I think it is manufactured outrage by those with an agenda.
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