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Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by janalsncm »

I never strongly considered open weight models before getting throttled all the time from Claude. I bought a 1 year pro subscription but my bet is I won’t renew it.

The Claude “usage” UX is very bad. At the most basic level, there is no way to know what you’re actually paying for if you buy a “pro” plan or a “max” plan. Dario will take your $200 but he will give you a secret number of tokens in return.

I have no way of knowing what the numerator or denominator are for the usage progress bars. Plus they change them all the time. There’s no way to audit it. So if there was a malicious script siphoning usage it would be really hard to detect.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by dakolli »

himata4113 wrote: post #215
Davidzheng wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Anthropic is claiming it's world ending? Just that it has offensive cybersecurity abilities which can be dangerous

Cyber-warfare is pretty world-ending these days. Our relatively peaceful world is built on top of mutual destruction. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48633023

Why would you believe anything an intelligence agency says? Half their job is spreading fear and obfuscating the truth.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by Keyframe »

aliasxneo wrote: post #6

> Until July 7, you can use up to 50% of your plan's weekly usage limit on Fable 5. If you hit your limit, you can continue on Fable 5 with usage credits. Fable 5 draws down usage faster than Opus 4.8. This is what I see in my Claude Code terminal. I don't feel like that 50% rule was there before?

After July 7th, it's going to be only usage model. It's not part of subscription tiers anymore. Somehow I'd rather they didn't put it back. The cost is now effectively 10-20x more than a 20x subscription price if you're going to ride it like before.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by sigmar »

bel8 wrote: post #108
dghlsakjg wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH: “our product is so good it was banned for being too good” is the best advertising possible. OpenAI would kill to get that. I’m not falling over myself to test out Sonnet 5, but I am very interested in Fable.

> OpenAI would kill to get that. I have news for you, from 5 days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48690101 "U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6"

that's an obsequious Altman, not their model being banned for being too good

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by dabbz »

janalsncm wrote: post #261

I never strongly considered open weight models before getting throttled all the time from Claude. I bought a 1 year pro subscription but my bet is I won’t renew it. The Claude “usage” UX is very bad. At the most basic level, there is no way to know what you’re actually paying for if you buy a “pro” plan or a “max” plan. Dario will take your $200 but he will give you a secret number of tokens in return. I have no way…

I mean if you want to spend $200, and get a guaranteed amount of tokens in return you should be using the API.

I agree there should be more transparency what 20x gets you that 5x doesn't.

Though I also imagine it's a tough problem when you could be using Dispatch, Cowork, design, chat, code, etc. All of which use different contexts, models, and resources. I'd argue they actually need to either simplify their offerings, or charge more for upsells (charge for cloud-based agents, upcharge for design outcomes, etc).

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by Chyzwar »

janalsncm wrote: post #261

I never strongly considered open weight models before getting throttled all the time from Claude. I bought a 1 year pro subscription but my bet is I won’t renew it. The Claude “usage” UX is very bad. At the most basic level, there is no way to know what you’re actually paying for if you buy a “pro” plan or a “max” plan. Dario will take your $200 but he will give you a secret number of tokens in return. I have no way…

npx codeburn

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by noosphr »

himata4113 wrote: post #194

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

We've been told models are too dangerous since gpt2.

There comes a point where you not only want the boy to stop crying wolf, but hopefully be eaten by one.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by Melatonic »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #94
maldev wrote: post #86

It won't even review a cyber security blog post I wrote. Absolutely worthless and pitiful guardrails.

I'm having it review a project Opus 4.8 created. No security review, just "look for general issues, performance problems, missing features, etc." It spawned about twenty background tasks. It's still going, but so far, one has completed, and four have failed with guardrail messages. Nothing special, just stuff like reviewing the API: Fable 5's safeguards flagged this message ( https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup ). Th…

Do you have to pay for the tokens used for the safeguard flagged stuff?

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by SparkyMcUnicorn »

janalsncm wrote: post #261

I never strongly considered open weight models before getting throttled all the time from Claude. I bought a 1 year pro subscription but my bet is I won’t renew it. The Claude “usage” UX is very bad. At the most basic level, there is no way to know what you’re actually paying for if you buy a “pro” plan or a “max” plan. Dario will take your $200 but he will give you a secret number of tokens in return. I have no way…

If you use Claude Code, there are plenty of projects/tools that let you see what your usage would have cost at API rates, then you can cross-reference that to your "usage" in Claude. I run through enough token in a few days for the subscription to pay for itself.

But I agree that advertised visibility into this would be nice, so we could compare the different providers up-front.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by mrcwinn »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #260
himata4113 wrote: post #194

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

We can’t buy affordable memory for Fortnite but everyone is running Mythos locally? Is this the year of Linux on the desktop too?
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