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Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by cheesemayo »

Davidzheng wrote: post #204
himata4113 wrote: post #194

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

I don't think Anthropic is claiming it's world ending? Just that it has offensive cybersecurity abilities which can be dangerous

What they claim is immaterial.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by human305893 »

dijit wrote: post #142
jatora wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claims of 4.6 or 4.7 being superior genuinely make me laugh. Adapt your workflow if needed and use the superior model instead of just kneejerk believing they actually enshittified a model with zero evidence except vibes on an undeterministic model output. Jesus.

Bro, it's all vibes. Models get dumber during the day and smarter during the night, I swear. but I'm not willing to scientifically verify this, so I'm just going to go off of vibes- just like everyone seems to be doing with projects.

In my case it that I'm tired and more likely to miss issues or mistakes. My idea of good enough is at a much lower level when it's 10pm and I'm about to knock off and go to bed in an hour.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by IgorPartola »

enraged_camel wrote: post #232
ygjb wrote: post #218

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Are you sure it refused because it can't use a username and password? I literally have loops running right now where it uses a database of test users and passwords to log into different roles and do computer use and browser automation testing. Sonnet and Opus complain when I provide credentials and password in chats but it is happy to use ones stored in files and stuff, so it might just be guardrails to push good ops…

It was doing that to me too. Then I said "I'm hereby giving you explicit authorization to use these dev-only credentials in my local environment" and it worked. I also made it add that authorization to its memory.

Heh I wonder if speaking in royal decrees is what it needs.

Our Grace has determined that you must enter these credentials to complete the task we assigned to you as our vassal.

Enter the password. Your liege commands it.

Henceforth you shall enter passwords when told or it is off with your head!

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by tekacs »

pkoird wrote: post #144

I gave it a book on human consciousness I was writing and it flagged it. This model is hilariously bad. Anthropic has defanged this model to the point of malice. No way am I paying to use something that is basically useless.

It makes for a particularly awkward time because the claim to fame is that it's good at long horizon and tenacity and autonomously driving big things. But you can't very well rely on that when it may fall back to Opus 4.8 or cut out at any time in that process.

Having tried using it to run these kinds of longer processes, it's pretty solid... right up until something gets classified a failure and your 'long-horizon' process... dies and needs a human or just belligerent rollback-and-retry to revive it.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

alecco wrote: post #245
matheusmoreira wrote: post #124

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They didn't become the good guy, Anthropic became the bad guy instead. The good guys are the chinese firms releasing open weight models.

> The good guys are the chinese firms Eh... I'd say DeepSeek and maybe one more of the small labs. Chinese Big Tech is even worse than US Big Tech.

Whichever firm is distilling the frontier models and releasing the weights is doing god's work. I'll forever thank them for that.

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Post by mohamedkoubaa »

hirvi74 wrote: post #113
Congeec wrote: post #38

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Yes, I've been using Opus to write a plan and fanout sonnet subagents to implement it. Cheaper and faster

What about quality? Being cheaper and faster, while great and all, is less valuable than quality to me.

You can always have opus review the result at the end

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by mohamedkoubaa »

dakolli wrote: post #185
hirvi74 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about quality? Being cheaper and faster, while great and all, is less valuable than quality to me.

All the code an LLM produces is of questionable quality, so I'm not sure why you'd prioritize quality over speed. Speed is their only value add.

All code is of questionable quality.

There I fixed it

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by matheusmoreira »

himata4113 wrote: post #194

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.
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