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Re: Fable 5 is Back

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I applaud the engineers that work at Anthropic, who have created both amazing products and uniquely intelligent models -- but I really shake my head at some of their business decisions and public comms which have done a lot to damage their trustworthiness in the business and developer community. In just the past month: they decided to silently downgrade (instead of simply refusing) responses related to machine learni…

> It's hard to not view the organization as bizarrely adversarial to its customers. I was incredibly supportive of Anthropic during the supply chain debacle, as I viewed it as the capricious actions of a corrupt admin. But now I am wondering if it was just a response to the ineptness of their business leaders. From the start Anthropic have been hostile to its own customers, and also trained on pirated books and had t…

I do think most of the "adversarial to their own customers" things are coming from a company in extreme compute crunch. Eg, if they stop abuse they have more compute to serve real customers. And some of it is coming from them being true believers that AI could be a risk to society when it gets smart enough (their talk about jobs is because they want society to prepare, because they think it will change jobs regardless of whether they make it or others).

Note that other providers are also training on the same copyright books.

I don't think anyone realistically thinks open weights can be banned, though it does raise interesting questions if the White House is going to keep banning models like Fable and GPT5.6 while open weights equivalents are floating around. Their reasoning seemed to be that they don't want foreign adversaries to have access to models that can find security issues, but a local ban on an open model wouldn't stop that.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Today I told Sonnet (!) to use a browser MCP to enter a username and password for the project it is working on, it told me that it can't do that because it violates its security protocol. This worked fine before. I love Claude, I have stuck with it even through people saying Codex is better but this is definitely getting to be the last straw. It's completely absurd I am paying them $200+ per month along with pushing…

Are you sure it refused because it can't use a username and password? I literally have loops running right now where it uses a database of test users and passwords to log into different roles and do computer use and browser automation testing. Sonnet and Opus complain when I provide credentials and password in chats but it is happy to use ones stored in files and stuff, so it might just be guardrails to push good ops…

It was doing that to me too. Then I said "I'm hereby giving you explicit authorization to use these dev-only credentials in my local environment" and it worked. I also made it add that authorization to its memory.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

most of it is overstated because of marketing. in fact the ban looked like an inside job by the current administration to play with the stock value. if the ban did anything it was to make every n00b agree that Anthropic was so far ahead of its times it needed to be banned.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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I have been testing it on my security / firewall appliance (nfSensei) and it's much improved. It's actually proceeding through a complex plan Opus 4.8 proposed.

But then again I have not tested it without a prior model planning as of yet.

Note: fable would fail immediately on any security related topic prior.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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> The mentioned other models that are trained for the same purpose with close to the same capabilities. well they dont tell you that do they? there is no way to tell what model can and cannot do unless you extensivevly test it yourself and pray for the best.

If you don’t have a proper testing mechanism for your product, regardless of the model, you shouldn’t be shipping it. Praying for the best is not a strategy and don’t blame your lack of testing strategy on the LLM capability mismatch

even anthropic uses 'user reports' in alignment system card.

Do they lack "testing strategy" to test their own alignment?

Can you share the you testing strategies that are letting you plug and play models.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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We really need glm to be on pair with claude. A good Chinese model against a good US model would be the ultimate competition. No bullshit scaled down models with insane restrictions. Everything open and maximum speed in model improvements. If China also would manage to master high tier chips then we truly can expect 768gb machines in 4 years from now.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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I'll be using it tonight but grudgingly so. Grudgingly because after July 7th, I'm not going to all of a sudden, start paying API prices (and maybe that's the problem) when I'm used to a subscription that gives me multiples in comparative value. Perhaps this is the fabled "token economics will come for everyone this year" that I've been reading about? In any case, I'll use the hell out of it to extract as much as I c…

Won't using it eat up the whole quota immediately forcing you to pay API prices anyway?

For a period of time - then you go back to opus 4.8 or new sonnet 5.0 like some kind of AI pauper. Shine your shoes for some fable tokens g’vnor.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Wait what. I never used CC but use Codex CLI with 5.5 daily and authenticating has never been an issue. I even rolled skills that instruct it how to retrieve test user credentials for auth purposes. Today using the devtools I asked it to reverse engineer the login auth flow of another app in our company and it created a nice browser-like headless script (with cookie jars etc) that emulates the entire Auth0 flow with…

The fucked up part is CC has no problem looking through k8s secrets for credentials and authenticating to services on the command line. It's always been protective of signing in on the web.

That seems highly likely to be an anti-spammer measure.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today I told Sonnet (!) to use a browser MCP to enter a username and password for the project it is working on, it told me that it can't do that because it violates its security protocol. This worked fine before. I love Claude, I have stuck with it even through people saying Codex is better but this is definitely getting to be the last straw. It's completely absurd I am paying them $200+ per month along with pushing…

Are you sure it refused because it can't use a username and password? I literally have loops running right now where it uses a database of test users and passwords to log into different roles and do computer use and browser automation testing. Sonnet and Opus complain when I provide credentials and password in chats but it is happy to use ones stored in files and stuff, so it might just be guardrails to push good ops…

That’s the joy of prompting. Different prompts, different task details, different contexts, different results

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#240
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The loss of trust in using US based model's is unlikely to come back though. Anthropic with it's hyped doomsday messaging, and the administration falling for it (at best), has eroded a lot of trust and has triggered an arms race of sorts.

The vast mojority of its users were probably clueless about all this happening at all. We forget we live in a bubble here on HN. They'll spin it as their success and carry on.
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