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post #144

I gave it a book on human consciousness I was writing and it flagged it. This model is hilariously bad. Anthropic has defanged this model to the point of malice. No way am I paying to use something that is basically useless.

Same problem, in-progress book about language and thermodynamics gets flagged. Their classifier is just a regex I guess?

Off and on topic I guess but: Language and Thermodynamics? Like, the same book? That sounds interesting.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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If you've built a product based on AI, then diversify or make an abstraction layer so your product is model agnostic and you can plug and play any model. If you're an end user like a software engineer, just use another model or like Gemini or ChatGPT. That is more productive than complaining about a trust which wasn't there in the first place to begin with. Anthropic provides a service and they can stop offering it r…

you cannot plug and play random models. they are all different trained on different data and rl for different capabilities.

They didn't say "random models". The mentioned other models that are trained for the same purpose with close to the same capabilities.

Anthropic's best models are very good, maybe the best in their category. But, they have direct competition. You can, in fact, just switch to Codex or Gemini or GLM. It mostly is plug and play. I have a preference but I also have options.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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post #144

I gave it a book on human consciousness I was writing and it flagged it. This model is hilariously bad. Anthropic has defanged this model to the point of malice. No way am I paying to use something that is basically useless.

Today I told Sonnet (!) to use a browser MCP to enter a username and password for the project it is working on, it told me that it can't do that because it violates its security protocol. This worked fine before. I love Claude, I have stuck with it even through people saying Codex is better but this is definitely getting to be the last straw. It's completely absurd I am paying them $200+ per month along with pushing…

I'm really disappointed with Anthropic that they wont even mention if they will release a fable-like model with the subscription plans.

If Opus 4.8 is the best model they will release on the subscriptions I may be too tall for the ride...which is sad, they have been my favorite of the labs until this.

@AnyoneAtAnthropic, all we want are assurance we will still get SOTA models that are continuously improving, not regressing and getting more locked down. That's going to be who wins this race.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#194
I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent.

Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be treated like this, mythos I could maybe believe that it runs inside government compliant datacenters which have a proven track record, but something as valuable as a 'world ending' model invites state sponsored actors to put in significantly more effort into exfiltrating it.

Whatever the real story is I doubt this is as ground-breaking as anthropic claims it to be.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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post #187

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I would say this is an important part of the product-market-fit discovery process. Sure, your comment holds true for well established products with a loyal customer base, but for an earlier stage product this rapid iteration process is quite important, especially from an onboarding and ease-of-use perspective.

Yes, this. I never redesign things for sake of redesigning. But being solo developer bootstrapping my product, I don't have a luxury of testing some concepts deeply internally or publishing well-optimized components. And when I see my customers struggle, that's clearly a signal, that's something in UX is wrong. Just today we had to explain one of our customers how to proceed with our ISMS workbook (Clauses 4-10 from ISO 27001) - initial design proved to be bad approach, I now know how to change this. And Claude Design is great translating my thoughts and suggestions into something, that's consistent and better, than I could design it in predictable time.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#196
post #13

The loss of trust in using US based model's is unlikely to come back though. Anthropic with it's hyped doomsday messaging, and the administration falling for it (at best), has eroded a lot of trust and has triggered an arms race of sorts.

OTOH: “our product is so good it was banned for being too good” is the best advertising possible. OpenAI would kill to get that. I’m not falling over myself to test out Sonnet 5, but I am very interested in Fable.

I really don't think this is effective advertising, reactions have been negative virtually everywhere.

The security bugs were real (see the Open Source projects struggling to keep up) so I think gradual rollout was sensible originally before the ban. But people have always resented safety steps.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#197
post #108

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OTOH: “our product is so good it was banned for being too good” is the best advertising possible. OpenAI would kill to get that. I’m not falling over myself to test out Sonnet 5, but I am very interested in Fable.

> OpenAI would kill to get that. I have news for you, from 5 days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48690101 "U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6"

It didn't feel the same

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#198
post #159

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What about all the benchmarks that show improvements in each generation?

Many of the improvements are the result of agentic loops and an emphasis on autonomy. Some of us don’t like that because the models go rogue and ignore design patterns, architecture, coding guidelines or other things that are important. My friends and colleagues that like the agentic autonomy don’t care about the code, they feel like if it works it works and if an AI system is the only intelligence able to understand…

Agentic coding should absolutely care about all the things you listed.

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post #171

I'll be using it tonight but grudgingly so. Grudgingly because after July 7th, I'm not going to all of a sudden, start paying API prices (and maybe that's the problem) when I'm used to a subscription that gives me multiples in comparative value. Perhaps this is the fabled "token economics will come for everyone this year" that I've been reading about? In any case, I'll use the hell out of it to extract as much as I c…

Won't using it eat up the whole quota immediately forcing you to pay API prices anyway?

The token quota is completely unpredictable and changes month to month. Anthropic has a real penchant for riding the fine line of useful and dark patterns that make me want to write them off forever.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

#200
post #144

I gave it a book on human consciousness I was writing and it flagged it. This model is hilariously bad. Anthropic has defanged this model to the point of malice. No way am I paying to use something that is basically useless.

Today I told Sonnet (!) to use a browser MCP to enter a username and password for the project it is working on, it told me that it can't do that because it violates its security protocol. This worked fine before. I love Claude, I have stuck with it even through people saying Codex is better but this is definitely getting to be the last straw. It's completely absurd I am paying them $200+ per month along with pushing…

Yeah all claude models are doing this now. I also had a flow where it would enter username and password for demo server that are literally displayed on the page for any human to login. A couple of weeks ago claude would happily use chrome to take screenshots after logging in, now it flat out refuses and says I need to give it page where I've logged in and that it can't make an exception even if credentials are demo/demo and available to anyone to use. Super annoying stuff.
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