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ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by 100721 »

dakolli wrote: post #116
LeBit wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are talking about an agent harness here, not a model. Nevertheless, Americans thinking they are morally superior to China is always quite funny. This administration is corrupt, cruel and doesn’t care about human rights. And the worst is… Americans have voted for that administration…. twice! I digress…

While Trump is terrible, all the same morally questionable practices existed under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden. This administration just likes to brag about it. The US has been controlled by an evil technocracy/intelligence apparatus for 25+ years that gives zero f*ks about democracy or a constitution.

> all the same morally questionable practices existed under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden.

I’m gonna need a citation on this claim

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by switchbak »

dakolli wrote: post #115
ahrzb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way. You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.

There's no way to safely use SOTA LLMs if privacy, and IP protection are your concern. Unless you want to spend 100k+ to host a 1T param model. Even if you use OpenCode you're sending all that information to random data centers you know nothing about. But yes, US intelligence has killed and ruined the lives of far more people than China has. Not sure how so many people buy into the narrative that they're protecting f…

"US intelligence has killed and ruined the lives of far more people than China has" - please provide a strong argument for this statement, with numbers and sources.

I'm no apologist for the US Intelligence and related organizations (not by a very long shot), but that is a very extreme statement to make.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by snootypoot »

LeBit wrote: post #114
ahrzb wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way. You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.

We are talking about an agent harness here, not a model. Nevertheless, Americans thinking they are morally superior to China is always quite funny. This administration is corrupt, cruel and doesn’t care about human rights. And the worst is… Americans have voted for that administration…. twice! I digress…

foolish to blame one administration rather than all administrations since jfk was killed for trying to change things

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by aniviacat »

scotty79 wrote: post #99
Art9681 wrote: post #73

Yea not touching this with an any-foot pole. They are just keeping up with the Joneses now. There is no reason for this to exist but there IS a reason it is not open source. ;)

Funny, I think the same about Claude.

Didn't Claude Code pioneer this style of agent?

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by efficax »

maxloh wrote: post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

yes but the americans are also doing it, and i don’t really work on anything worth spying on

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by kordlessagain »

maxloh wrote: post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

Run it in a container under Opencode. It works great, and I even upgraded to their pro plan (~$60/month). If you want it in a container, there's info in my profile under my projects. That code is entirely open source, and it's there simply because I built what I needed for my own work. I'm sure there a zillion other ways to do it. However, I highly advise against running any agent on bare metal, regardless of the company's country of origin. My thesis addresses this directly and repeatedly.

By the way, some pedant recently asked why anyone would run software with only a few stars. My thoughts on that are minimal: people can practice whatever slop logic they want. I've architected and built systems that handled tens of thousands of users. I'm not fucking around. The way I build isn't typical, and I don't suggest anyone try to mimic my approach, but it works for me and the way my mind processes complex systems.

To the peanut gallery: use it or don't, but don't give me a hard time unless you're ready to get one back. I've made plenty of mistakes in my career, and accountability is a crucial part of growth. I'm more than willing to work with anyone using my code, provided they bring valid, substantial criticism to the table.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by FergusArgyll »

SwellJoe wrote: post #29
seizethecheese wrote: post #11

I'm somewhat surprised that this is not open source (from what I can tell). Compare to Mimo Code https://github.com/XiaomiMiMo/MiMo-Code (which is a CLI, while this is a desktop app).

I don't even know what I would do with a desktop app. I'm running these things in headless VMs, so I can run them with `--dangerously-skip-permissions` or whatever. I don't trust them, even without that flag, on my desktop/laptop.

I finally repurposed an old server just for that and for anyone reading who has not had a chance to use --dangerously-etc. it's awesome, do it :)

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by andai »

pl04351820 wrote: post #136

Try to understand the token usage/cost with subscription plan comparing with Claude Pro. Is there benchmark somewhere for such info?

I think they market is as 3x the usage for the same price. Although, the prices are not the same, and Anthropic's usage constantly changes, so...

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by LtWorf »

estearum wrote: post #125
preg_match wrote: post #104

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It’s just a coincidence that both the US and china have the absolute worst privacy concerns. They are the top shelf IMO. Comparing them I’d say they’re about equal, really, especially once we consider the financial sector and credit.

lmfao You know you're sitting here on the open Internet complaining about the US government with literally zero fear of any repercussions in any sense whatsoever? You should go to an actual authoritarian country and just ask someone their opinion on their government. The difference between flippant, hyperbolic complaining (you) and someone who will actually glance over their shoulder and totally clam up in response t…

Perhaps you have not heard of Francesca Albanese?

USA government does repercussions, severe ones.

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