Anthropic is the most idiotic corporation in America, right now.
i think they've got everyone by the balls with how addicted they are to their products
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Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
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Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#72So is this a part of the "first hit is free" campaign? If it won't be available on subscription past July 7, what is the point of using it for 7 days now? Shouldn't our energy be better spent elsewhere?
I spent the first seven days of free Fable on having it analyze multiple code bases for performance issues and for various kinds of bugs. That got me a lot of tickets for opus to work through over time
Fable was only available for a few days, not seven.
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#73I bet my house that after the promotional stuff ends they will change their mind and let you keep using Fable on subscription. Otherwise this is the end of their marketshare. These guys are complete idiots. I give them that
I would not call them idiots personally, they are just facing an extraordinary difficult situation with their open weight competition that's almost impossible to fix. They will have to aim for the high-end B2B market eventually, and attempt to lock out their competition through regulation or other means
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#74I bet my house that after the promotional stuff ends they will change their mind and let you keep using Fable on subscription. Otherwise this is the end of their marketshare. These guys are complete idiots. I give them that
Bold of you to think individuals are a big part of their marketshare and explosive growth. My company introduced enterprise last month and the bill was US$110k for a few dozen folks using it Claude Code and Design. Do the Pro and Max plans help with word of mouth and whatnot? Sure, but the individual with a Max plan (or 4...) are all subsidized by the big spenders
36 people using Claude is not $1.3m per year. I can assure you that you do not know the full details of that agreement, assuming any of those figures are true.
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#75From the original announcement last month: > After this point-when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can. From today: > After July 7, 2026, Claude Fable 5 is no longer included in your plan’s weekly usage limits. You can keep using Claude Fable 5 through usage credits, which let you pay for usage beyond what…
Is it too cynical to read the first quote as "when openai catch up, we will restore fable 5 to subscription plans"? In other words, they're saying "We know have a monopoloy and we will take all of your money until someone offers a cheaper competing product"? And "We intend to do this as quickly as we can" read as a non-promise then as much as it does now? --- Well, I am assuming that this is all based on the fact tha…
The word "monopoly" is overused. They simply have the best model at the moment but no real monopoly-style moat or ability to crush their competition through monopoly tactics. I don't support their bait-and-switch, but if you aren't happy, don't use Anthropic. Also, as soon as someone comes up with a better model, transition won't be that painful for most users.
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#76You can get away with a lot when you have the best models… I’m looking forward to OpenAI or open-source catching up so we have some competition again.
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bold of you to think individuals are a big part of their marketshare and explosive growth. My company introduced enterprise last month and the bill was US$110k for a few dozen folks using it Claude Code and Design. Do the Pro and Max plans help with word of mouth and whatnot? Sure, but the individual with a Max plan (or 4...) are all subsidized by the big spenders
36 people using Claude is not $1.3m per year. I can assure you that you do not know the full details of that agreement, assuming any of those figures are true.
There are plenty of FAANG (and adjacent Big Tech and FAANG wannabe start ups) staffers that burn $10k/month or more on Claude tokens. Just ask around if you're in Silicon Valley.
$10k/month * 36 people = $4.3m per year. $1.3m per year is a relative bargain!
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's gone from bad to unbelievably bad. Just a prompt with the single word "virus" was enough to get downgraded to O4.8 before the ban. "Tell me a story about a man named CVE." gets me downgraded now. "CVE-" gets me downgraded and broken reasoning with no response. "Giant crane fly, 2 feet wide" gets me downgraded.
Is it likely that it keeps track of what you said recently and decides whether you might be referring to things you've previously been downgraded for? I haven't been downgraded once , either a few weeks ago for the three days it was live, or since I got it back today.
>Is it likely that it keeps track of what you said recently and decides whether you might be referring to things you've previously been downgraded for?
I have no special knowledge here, it feels rather unproductive for me to speculate.
Out of curiosity, if you're comfortable trying any of them, do any of the above prompts cause you to get downgraded?
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#79Wow this is a crazy bait and switch. Surprised it's even legal.
Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access
#80I'm disappointed with this. Historically, Claude's API cost a significant multiple of their subscription pricing, and after the promotional period it appears the access to Fable will be API only, if I understand this. There actually is a limit to what people will pay for model usage, and I suppose this squeeze is one way to find out what that limit is. I've been content paying $200 per month for a solid plan that I a…
It's estimated their margins on API pricing is 10x.