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ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

You can always run it in bwrap or rootless podman.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

#112

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No. I got the yearly highest-end GLM subscription when it was available for a few hundred bucks. I haven't run into quota limits even once.

Nice, lucky! The Opencode Go GLM 5.2 quota gets used up so fast. It's an expensive model. And while impressive for being open weight, it seems slower than Opus and GPT. So I typically only use it after exhausting quotas of discounted GPT5.5 or Opus 4.6^ paid plans.

Yeah, it's definitely slower.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

#113
post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

How's that different from Codex (gui app) or Claude?

Codex is open source: https://github.com/openai/codex

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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post #108
post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way. You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.

We are talking about an agent harness here, not a model.

Nevertheless, Americans thinking they are morally superior to China is always quite funny.

This administration is corrupt, cruel and doesn’t care about human rights.

And the worst is… Americans have voted for that administration…. twice!

I digress…

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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post #108
post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way. You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.

There's no way to safely use SOTA LLMs if privacy, and IP protection are your concern. Unless you want to spend 100k+ to host a 1T param model. Even if you use OpenCode you're sending all that information to random data centers you know nothing about.

But yes, US intelligence has killed and ruined the lives of far more people than China has. Not sure how so many people buy into the narrative that they're protecting freedom and democracy.. They're protecting their freedom to kill and crush all their enemies and control every "democracy" on earth.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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post #114
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way. You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.

We are talking about an agent harness here, not a model. Nevertheless, Americans thinking they are morally superior to China is always quite funny. This administration is corrupt, cruel and doesn’t care about human rights. And the worst is… Americans have voted for that administration…. twice! I digress…

While Trump is terrible, all the same morally questionable practices existed under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden. This administration just likes to brag about it. The US has been controlled by an evil technocracy/intelligence apparatus for 25+ years that gives zero f*ks about democracy or a constitution.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

#117
post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

That's why I like to use Reasonix with Deepseek. Hitting cache makes requests basically free and that's through unsubsidized American providers like Digital Ocean or cloudflare.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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I don't even know what I would do with a desktop app. I'm running these things in headless VMs, so I can run them with `--dangerously-skip-permissions` or whatever. I don't trust them, even without that flag, on my desktop/laptop.

Good desktop apps in this category can manage agents across any number of remote SSH hosts.

What's stopping a CLI from doing the same?

I've never used IDEs and never will, why are these things being constantly shoved down our throats?

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

#119
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I think it’s a real concern. Chinese companies are much more closely tied to the state, as in if you decide to go to China one day they might already have all the data on how you have interacted with their models. The US is certainly inching in that direction but it’s not like someone from the US government sits at Anthropic’s HQ reading chats from state people of interest.

> all the data on how you have interacted with their models 1) there is a very non-zero chance that the US government also has that data from OpenAI and possibly Anthropic 2) unless you are asking the chinese models to draw up plans to overthrow the chinese government, it's extremely unlikely they would ever care. while china has a track record of harassing it's own dissident citizens abroad, if you're not chinese an…

to me its more about company's IPs/trade secrets. china have a history of stealing IPs and very poor IPs enforcement while US have an established history of protecting IPs and US court can enforce it but hey, cheap token is more important, right?

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

#120
post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

You can always run it in bwrap or rootless podman.

nono, the sandboxing tool, has been working great for me
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