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ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by SwellJoe »

teaspoon wrote: post #71
SwellJoe wrote: post #29

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I don't even know what I would do with a desktop app. I'm running these things in headless VMs, so I can run them with `--dangerously-skip-permissions` or whatever. I don't trust them, even without that flag, on my desktop/laptop.

Good desktop apps in this category can manage agents across any number of remote SSH hosts.

But, it's still running on my desktop/laptop. I don't trust them to run on my machine. But, I guess I could run one VM with a desktop to contain the desktop app. Or, just keep using CLI agents.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

binarymax wrote: post #72
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #34

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It's comparable, but not the same. For some tasks, it's better. Opus refuses tasks for me pretty regularly. GLM 5.2 has never refused a task. So for anything security-related or that touches on topics that trigger Opus's safety guardrails, I use GLM 5.2. OTOH, for anything related to UI design, I use Opus 4.8. It's much better at taking relatively vague descriptions of user interfaces and a mockup of a related UI and…

What kinds of tasks does Opus refuse? I’m a light daily user for the past 3 months and Opus has never refused a task for me.

One project I have deals with countries, and any time it touches code related to countries, it stops.

I've also had it refuse security-related tasks, and occasionally it stops without any discernible reason.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by froh42 »

pkulak wrote: post #92
Natfan wrote: post #90

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also abysmal. two things can be bad at the same time

Yeah, but if you reach for the top shelf every time you need a word, you can't compare things anymore.

But really, where is the difference in data misuse from the US and China? Because the US has been "friends" in the past?

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by preg_match »

pkulak wrote: post #92
Natfan wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also abysmal. two things can be bad at the same time

Yeah, but if you reach for the top shelf every time you need a word, you can't compare things anymore.

It’s just a coincidence that both the US and china have the absolute worst privacy concerns. They are the top shelf IMO. Comparing them I’d say they’re about equal, really, especially once we consider the financial sector and credit.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by dingdingdang »

maxloh wrote: post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

In a sense it's a clean reminder that all these, especially non-local, llm tools should NEVER run outside a container. I'm currently looking at z-jail specifically for these scenarios; VMs are too heavy & expose too many sec issues of their own for continual integrated use in my case.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by sejje »

scotty79 wrote: post #98
maxloh wrote: post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

How's that different from Codex (gui app) or Claude?

Well, it's different from OpenCode

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by ahrzb »

maxloh wrote: post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way. You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by ElFitz »

scotty79 wrote: post #98
maxloh wrote: post #51

I don't find a closed-source Chinese agent system trustworthy. It is essentially a black box with full user permissions, meaning you are just handing over your entire system to a Chinese-owned server. With OpenCode and its GLM provider, at least I can monitor which files were read, which were edited, and what commands were executed. Not to mention that Chinese national security laws legally obligate companies to coop…

How's that different from Codex (gui app) or Claude?

The codex cli too is open source, afaik.

Re: ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

andy99 wrote: post #69
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's comparable, but not the same. For some tasks, it's better. Opus refuses tasks for me pretty regularly. GLM 5.2 has never refused a task. So for anything security-related or that touches on topics that trigger Opus's safety guardrails, I use GLM 5.2. OTOH, for anything related to UI design, I use Opus 4.8. It's much better at taking relatively vague descriptions of user interfaces and a mockup of a related UI and…

Do you guys use it through open router? Do you have any concerns about how the data you send is being intercepted? Not that I trust Anthropic but it’s widely agreed that it’s kosher to use them for commercial work, I can’t see comfortably sending any customer data to openrouter. Edit- I see down-thread you use z.ai directly. Same concern, aren’t you worried about using it for professional stuff.

I'm worried, but I'm worried about all of these providers. There's a good chance Anthropic and OpenAI will go bankrupt in the next five to ten years, and all of their data will go to the highest bidder.

There's no customer data sent to anyone, though. I run OpenCode and Claude Code in a Docker container that only has access to a subset of my code base. There are no secrets in there, and I'm vaguely ok with z.ai using this to train their models.

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