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Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by kingforaday »

mortenjorck wrote: post #7

From the original announcement last month: > After this point-when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can. From today: > After July 7, 2026, Claude Fable 5 is no longer included in your plan’s weekly usage limits. You can keep using Claude Fable 5 through usage credits, which let you pay for usage beyond what…

It's going to continue to suck getting prompt rejections on their overly aggressive "benign" safety margin thresholds [1]. Without a clear understanding of what triggers it, I guess we will pay for input/output tokens on the usage credits and not get refunds? As others on HN, I found very limited utility during the Fable 5 week in early June for my benign-engineering tasks and don't look forward to this new release, but I will try.

1. https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5

Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by nlh »

rapfaria wrote: post #35
theplumber wrote: post #17

I bet my house that after the promotional stuff ends they will change their mind and let you keep using Fable on subscription. Otherwise this is the end of their marketshare. These guys are complete idiots. I give them that

Bold of you to think individuals are a big part of their marketshare and explosive growth. My company introduced enterprise last month and the bill was US$110k for a few dozen folks using it Claude Code and Design. Do the Pro and Max plans help with word of mouth and whatnot? Sure, but the individual with a Max plan (or 4...) are all subsidized by the big spenders

I hate that you're right, but you're right. Twitter and HN can scream and yell as loud as they want but the fact is, enterprises are going to use Fable via API and pay the bills. In fact, restricting individuals probably makes it MORE likely that enterprises will pony up.

Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by wongarsu »

rapfaria wrote: post #35
theplumber wrote: post #17

I bet my house that after the promotional stuff ends they will change their mind and let you keep using Fable on subscription. Otherwise this is the end of their marketshare. These guys are complete idiots. I give them that

Bold of you to think individuals are a big part of their marketshare and explosive growth. My company introduced enterprise last month and the bill was US$110k for a few dozen folks using it Claude Code and Design. Do the Pro and Max plans help with word of mouth and whatnot? Sure, but the individual with a Max plan (or 4...) are all subsidized by the big spenders

Companies up to 150 licenses are encouraged to use the Team plans instead of the Enterprise plans. And those work much more like personal plans and are included in this promotion

Individually those customers are a lot smaller than the big enterprise contracts, but there are a lot more of them

Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by Schiendelman »

This makes sense to me. Consider these assumptions:

1) During peak times, they're already struggling to meet demand. They've figured out that 50% should be achievable without causing too much pain for existing users, and by setting a limit, more users will use it for architecture and then switch back to Opus 4.8 for implementation.

2) They need data on how people are using it at scale to figure out when it should fire up Opus or Haiku agents. They need to be careful not to have a model that kills your usage cap halfway through the week, and they need time to bake in balance.

I think people are reading too much into them not reiterating that they want to offer it in Max subscriptions in the future too. Of course they do, they want to compete!

I think they're trying to avoid setting up expectations right now because of all this backlash, so they didn't restate something that might make people mad. I don't even think they miscalculated - I think we're being hyper-nitpicky.

I would expect that by late July, they'll figure out the balance, and either offer a higher tier Max subscription (40x for $300, perhaps), or have Fable drop to Opus for implementation consistently, and then start offering Fable again in the Max subscriptions. They need to do something to make sure a Fable user doesn't just hit their head on the ceiling all the time.

Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by hadlock »

quantisan wrote: post #34
g42gregory wrote: post #29

So is this a part of the "first hit is free" campaign? If it won't be available on subscription past July 7, what is the point of using it for 7 days now? Shouldn't our energy be better spent elsewhere?

they want our interaction data

This is the correct answer

Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by hungryhobbit »

This is all marketing BS: FABLE IS NOT BACK (for programmers at least)! See https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1ukcmji/fable_is_...

Anthropic switches you back to Opus whenever you code!

But what I find truly offensive is that there's no mention of that anywhere in the page linked above. That page makes the "grand gesture" of supposedly giving away free Fable ... when no such thing is happening (again, at least, not for coders).

Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by wongarsu »

user43928 wrote: post #40
countcol wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like the most normal use of the term that I could imagine..?

The wording on initial launch was: "For subscription plans, we’d rather give access sooner than later, so we’re rolling out more conservatively, in stages: From today through June 22, Fable 5 is included on Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans at no extra cost. On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those plans. Using it after that will require usage credits. If capacity allows, we’ll extend the included wi…

Everyone did get the first 7 of the original 14 days before the export ban. Now everyone gets another 7 days. Limiting it to half the weekly limit stings, but if you have a quota reset in the middle of it you still get effectively one weekly limit. (does everyone's quota now reset on Saturdays?)

Re: Claude Fable 5 Promotional Access

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Post by wongarsu »

g42gregory wrote: post #29

So is this a part of the "first hit is free" campaign? If it won't be available on subscription past July 7, what is the point of using it for 7 days now? Shouldn't our energy be better spent elsewhere?

I spent the first seven days of free Fable on having it analyze multiple code bases for performance issues and for various kinds of bugs. That got me a lot of tickets for opus to work through over time
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