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On Heroku and 2012

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Re: On Heroku and 2012

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I don't think unlimited vacation is a good thing because it really isn't unlimited and just keeps the employee guessing as to what is appropriate.

That's not how it really works out at Heroku. Our managers and vibe team really push us all to take at least a few weeks (3-4) off per year at a minimum. That's important because we all love our work so much that we work hard the rest of the time.

So what would happen if you took 20 weeks off? 8 weeks? Where's the cutoff?

Re: On Heroku and 2012

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> Don't spend a single moment in life doing something you don't want to do. This advice or its cousins are found in many places around here and, well, I have a bad feeling about it. Is it not the epitome of egoism? Is it possible to share a house with friends, or a spouse, or your kids, without ever "doing something you don't want to do"? And in professional life, if you are a janitor, do you "want" to clean this toi…

This advice comes up very often when people write about re-evaluating their lives. (Also, this retort comes up very often when people read what those people wrote. I don't disagree with your logic, per se...) I think you're right, but the author probably did not mean the advice as literally as you're reading it. You're interpreting the advice as a call for egoism [0]; selfishness to the point of being unwise. I think…

Fantastic summary.

Re: On Heroku and 2012

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post #18
post #9

I don't think unlimited vacation is a good thing because it really isn't unlimited and just keeps the employee guessing as to what is appropriate.

That's not how it really works out at Heroku. Our managers and vibe team really push us all to take at least a few weeks (3-4) off per year at a minimum. That's important because we all love our work so much that we work hard the rest of the time.

I think his point was that there's some unwritten upper bound, like say, 16 weeks. Would be easier to just tell me what the upper bound is, so I can take that, rather than under utilize my vacation days or offend the unwritten rule.

Re: On Heroku and 2012

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post #17

> Don't spend a single moment in life doing something you don't want to do. This advice or its cousins are found in many places around here and, well, I have a bad feeling about it. Is it not the epitome of egoism? Is it possible to share a house with friends, or a spouse, or your kids, without ever "doing something you don't want to do"? And in professional life, if you are a janitor, do you "want" to clean this toi…

"Is it possible to share a house with friends, or a spouse, or your kids, without ever "doing something you don't want to do"?"

I get what you and the OP mean, but I think there's an implicit cost that we're willing to pay in this case.

Do I want to take out the trash? Not always, but I want to live with the people I live with more than I don't want to take out the trash, so I take out the trash. It's probably more complicated psychologically than that, but I'm sure OP would agree.

Re: On Heroku and 2012

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post #17

> Don't spend a single moment in life doing something you don't want to do. This advice or its cousins are found in many places around here and, well, I have a bad feeling about it. Is it not the epitome of egoism? Is it possible to share a house with friends, or a spouse, or your kids, without ever "doing something you don't want to do"? And in professional life, if you are a janitor, do you "want" to clean this toi…

In the past, I've tried to convince myself to do things that weren't really working. It's always been to my expense.

Trying to convince yourself you're not unhappy is very different than pushing away anything that makes you unhappy. Just my take :)

Re: On Heroku and 2012

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post #21
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how it really works out at Heroku. Our managers and vibe team really push us all to take at least a few weeks (3-4) off per year at a minimum. That's important because we all love our work so much that we work hard the rest of the time.

So what would happen if you took 20 weeks off? 8 weeks? Where's the cutoff?

I work at Heroku. Some people have taken several months off, personally I haven't (yet). After seeing how passionate they are at work, I totally trust all of them. Sometimes to rest, sometimes to get a better perspective, if they take that time off it's because they certainly feel they need it.

Re: On Heroku and 2012

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post #17

> Don't spend a single moment in life doing something you don't want to do. This advice or its cousins are found in many places around here and, well, I have a bad feeling about it. Is it not the epitome of egoism? Is it possible to share a house with friends, or a spouse, or your kids, without ever "doing something you don't want to do"? And in professional life, if you are a janitor, do you "want" to clean this toi…

The problem is, "want" is an ambiguous word. I want to learn calculus, I don't want to do all the homework required. Which "want" should I follow? I think people who say "only do things you want to do" mean the top-level kind, or some "total want" function that searches the whole treButkusbut that's a rather difficult function to "compute", even just to find the sign.

Like lots of hard problems in real life, it's basically one of predicting the future: which option will result in more happiness later?

Re: On Heroku and 2012

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post #23
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how it really works out at Heroku. Our managers and vibe team really push us all to take at least a few weeks (3-4) off per year at a minimum. That's important because we all love our work so much that we work hard the rest of the time.

I think his point was that there's some unwritten upper bound, like say, 16 weeks. Would be easier to just tell me what the upper bound is, so I can take that, rather than under utilize my vacation days or offend the unwritten rule.

They don't want you to think in terms of "fully utilizing" the vacation days available to you, like you're squeezing vacation days out of the system, trying to take all you can. Take what you need to be happy and productive, then come back. I'm guessing they know this is tricky, even for people trying to be honest, and are trying to make it work anyway.
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