> This reality demands a new model: usage-based pricing for everything.
Oh boy!
Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402
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#62The upside of using this is that AI shops might pay you for your content. Realistically, they just won't use your content, there is more than enough free (or synthetic) data out there. Not even to mention their contracts with firms like Mercor etc. I guess I don't understand who this is for. If you want your worldview reflected in the latest generations of models, you probably wouldn't use this. If you don't want you…
I think that's a pretty wild statement: there isn't just one type of content! Twilight fan fiction? Claude probably won't pay for that. But critical programming documentation that its bots (and their human users) rely on to do their daily job ? You better believe Anthropic will pay for that (instead of letting another AI pay for it, and steal all their customers).
Sure, they'll probably pay PyPi, the Swift Foundation, etc for that documentation - but it's a pretty small universe of relevant content. An interns tech blog with a 'hello world in javascript' post won't be paid for, the Mercor contractors are doing more (and better) than that!
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#63The upside of using this is that AI shops might pay you for your content. Realistically, they just won't use your content, there is more than enough free (or synthetic) data out there. Not even to mention their contracts with firms like Mercor etc. I guess I don't understand who this is for. If you want your worldview reflected in the latest generations of models, you probably wouldn't use this. If you don't want you…
I don’t think this is aimed at the labs and pre-training, it’s aimed at end users and their agents. Like if you’re a news site the paying customer isn’t a lab scraping your articles for training, it’s an end user that asked their agent to lookup the news of the day
But as an end user, I don't want to pay for the news of the day, regardless of if I look it up myself or my agent looks it up!
Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you be willing for Cloudflare to "Know their customer" (you) and pay 3 cents to access the forum, instead of filling in the captcha?
Can't speak for GP, but I wouldn't - privacy is already eroding at a startling rate, and more KYC for things that really don't need it is just a further affront to human rights. (See also the FCC's recent request for comments on requiring government-issued ID to use a cell phone.)
Are your human rights also violated by Spotify keeping track of what songs you listen to, or Netflix and YouTube keeping tabs on what shows you are watching?
Internet non-ad monetization will also be in the form of massive syndication, where a subscriber gets access to thousands of high quality websites, and web publishers get access to millions of subscribers. But they need to take a hint from streaming services and really make massive syndicates which includes everything for everyone for this to work.
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#65I am not a fan of the growing trend that Cloudflare is the gatekeeper of the internet. Personally I will never support this company, or firewall any of my websites behind it.
I'm old-man-yelling-at-the-clouds here. Everyone just uses Cloudflare, which is not a bad thing by itself. But do they _have_ to? Is managing your own edge really that terrifying?
DDoS protection and the number of features they offer are kind of unmatched.
I often see threads complaining about Cloudflare, never see suggestions for better alternatives.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think this is aimed at the labs and pre-training, it’s aimed at end users and their agents. Like if you’re a news site the paying customer isn’t a lab scraping your articles for training, it’s an end user that asked their agent to lookup the news of the day
But as an end user, I don't want to pay for the news of the day, regardless of if I look it up myself or my agent looks it up!
Of course nobody wants to pay for anything, and you like me would like to be given everything for free without having to give anything in exchange. But why would somebody want to give it for free?
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#67With payments the complexity is not only in accepting a payment, but largely in doing so legally. Someone makes a request to my company's paid service, I return 402 and get a stable coin back. Who do I invoice for this revenue? What value added tax do I apply to the invoice? If someone makes 10k paid requests within one month, do I have means of generating one invoice for them for all the usage, or is every request treated separately and results in 10k invoices?
Will CloudFlare handle this for me?
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#68"There is an enormous amount of value moving across the Internet today that goes unmonetized or undermonetized, not because no one would pay for it, but because the tools to charge for it have never existed."
Every road a toll road.
How big a cut does Cloudflare want? Whose "stablecoin" does this use? How much does each on-chain stablecoin transaction cost?[1]
For comparison, FedNow bank to bank transfers cost $0.045, regardless of size.
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#69Conceptually, sure - but crypto? Really?
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
If not built-in, you can probably put it together through Cloudflare itself. If a request goes to the protected path, if detected as bot: hard HTTP redirect to the path set in the monetization gateway, if human: allow and don't redirect.
Is there actually a reliable way to differentiate human from bot?
There are reliable ways of differentiating human from cheap, bulk scraping bots.
But if the bot is advanced / expensive enough, it gets a lot harder. Where this product's market sits is in giving a paid way to access content compared to having to spin up bots that run js, from real IP addresses, etc. all of which are more expensive