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Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by saturn8601 »

swiftcoder wrote: post #296
mikestew wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever compare a Blu-ray to the same content over streaming? It's not even close. Unlike vinyl records, Blu-ray is vastly superior in quality to alternatives. In case you're asking "why", it's because your "4K" stream is compressed to hell and back. Your home internet connection doesn't even have the bandwidth to stream the quality of a BR.

> Your home internet connection doesn't even have the bandwidth to stream the quality of a BR. This has not been true for most people for a while now. Even the high end of 4K blue rays tops out around 100 Mbps, which is achievable on pretty much any broadband connection.

Netflix isn't serving 100Mbps though.

Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by mghackerlady »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #284
mghackerlady wrote: post #51

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theoretically, the playstations are the most vulnerable since they run static versions of a FreeBSD derived system. the xbox doesn't really need to be jailbroken and the switch line is nearly impossible

> switch line is nearly impossible Nah. Switch 1 is already compromised and I'd predict we'll see modchips for the Switch 2 in the next 3 years.

Sorry, I should've specified soft mods. iirc there's only been 1 softmod for the switch that was patched out extremely early on before we knew about it

Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by ivanmontillam »

Jigsy wrote: post #314

I don't own a PS5, I do own a PS4 however and still buy physical copies of games - some of which of late have been secondhand from CeX - because 1. I don't like renting content, 2. I hate DRM, 3. physical copies are harder to censor. Sony recently expunged copies of movies people had bought, so I honestly don't trust them not to do the same with games. Also, they announced the closure of the PS3 store, so that's even…

Though you have a physical copy of the game, I don't discount a future where a console refuses to load a physical copy of the game because DRM impedes it. Much like when short-lived TLS certificates expire on their own, even by being offline.

Physical copies of games have in their EULA that the game is licensed to you, so theoretically they could still disable it.

Precedent? BlackBerry phones refused to connect to WiFi if you didn't pay for your mobile data plan. It became a 2G brick.

Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by mghackerlady »

Teever wrote: post #218
mghackerlady wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

theoretically, the playstations are the most vulnerable since they run static versions of a FreeBSD derived system. the xbox doesn't really need to be jailbroken and the switch line is nearly impossible

> the switch line is nearly impossible Werent early versions of the Switch 1 jail broken pretty fast and people were dumping switch 1 roms online to play in emulators? I don’t follow this stuff too closely but I thought that I saw people playing the sequel to Breath of the Wild on PCs to get acceptable frame rates when it came out.

Yeah, I should've specified softmods. There was a hardware bug in the launch switches SOC that wasn't patched until a year or so after the consoles launch

Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by integricho »

0x457 wrote: post #228
integricho wrote: post #208

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Because Sony and all digital publishers with the exception of GOG are lying thieves. This is just another step in getting rid of ownership, and we are too naive and passive to stand up against it. Physical copies are a must to retain any sense of ownership over purchased games. If this is done, it must be forbidden to show "Purchase" on playstation store as that implies ownership,which it will never be. Also just loo…

I saw a photo of Destiny 2 for same at Walmart. First, game is Free-to-Play for years now, second version of a game that is on that disc cannot be played. Tell me how does physical disc protect ownership? Then compare it to my digital downloads in steam where I can just copy game files between computers (if it's DRM-free) > Also just look at the parallel issue that happened exactly these days with Sony deleting purch…

How were they allowed to "sell" those titles in the first place then? Because it was never implied that access might be lost or restricted,it was very much sold to customers,not rented.

As for Destiny not working,this is a related but different problem, stopkillinggames tries to tackle it, but both issues go hand in hand.

1. If we give up physical copies,we lose ownership,as simple as that

2. Server side components must be released by the publisher once they take offline a game, as long as that game was "sold" to the customer

So ownership is a very important component in this, don't make it sound absurd.

Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by cjk »

mywittyname wrote: post #328
mrandish wrote: post #298

Between DRM, DLC, mandatory connectivity and the end of physical media, the future will look back on this era as the 'dark age' of digital gaming history. Maintaining activation servers, cloud storage and digital delivery costs money. If it doesn't disappear when the title reaches EOL, it certainly does when the company is gone or shifts business models. And draconian copyright laws create legal jeopardy around orpha…

For now, it's still possible to crack consoles and extract the games from disk. However, we are probably approaching an era where encryption / trusted computing is so good that future systems will never be cracked. However, the flip side is that so many games are built using common game engines, and receive multi-platform releases. So there's a broader surface area for potential preservation. Maybe the PS6 version is…

Sony in particular is doubling down on platform exclusives again. I was waiting for Ghost of Yōtei to come out on PC, but Sony cancelled the port. We're well and truly fucked without physical media for exclusives like this.

Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by mghackerlady »

bsammon wrote: post #348
lelandfe wrote: post #38

To illustrate why this is stupid, I will furnish two links to purchase Dark Souls 3 (PS4, 2016) Ebay, to buy: $11 + shipping[0] PS Store, to rent: $60[1] [0] https://www.ebay.com/itm/298370753624 [1] https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/dark-souls-iii/

I own a Nintendo Switch, and I've noticed that in the Nintendo store, old games regularly go on sale for in the ballpark of 80% off. Does that happen in the PS store?

third parties do. Good luck buying a nintendo game for less than it was at launch

Re: Physical disc production ending in Jan 2028 for new games on PlayStation

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Post by gxs »

The sad thing is that the knee jerk reaction here is going to be “omg just vote with your wallet, don’t buy”

But the truth is it’s bullshit and this attitude that companies should be able to do whatever they want because it’s a free market is getting so tiresome

Clearly there is agreement that things can be taken too far - as soon as one single consumer protection/anti competitive/monopoly preventing law exists, you’ve admitted those types of laws are needed

So then you’re only arguing about degrees and companies shouldn’t be allowed to do shit that harms consumers this way

On the surface this seems reasonable - it’s inevitable - discs aren’t going to hang around forever

But this goes back to what it means to own something and we’re all being relegated to serfs who don’t own shit

You wanna get rid of discs? Fine, but give me an alternative so that I still own what I buy and can resell it at will

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