Protip, don’t murder someone in Florida.
So you're ok with the state killing criminals? What if they get the wrong person?
> So you're ok with the state killing criminals?
Yes.
> What if they get the wrong person?
Don't kill those.
Florida Is Executing Prisoners at a Record Pace
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#12Is this article trying to make me feel bad for these people? > Frank Athen Walls was an American serial killer and rapist who committed five murders between 1985 and 1987 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_A._Walls > Willacy attempted to strangle Sather with a telephone cord, and when that didn't work, he doused her in gasoline and set her on fire, records show. An autopsy determined that Sather had died from smoke…
Can you have compassion, love even, for someone who has committed horrific acts? Honest question, what are your limits of compassion?
Can you have compassion, love even, for someone who has been the victim of horrific acts? Honest question, what are your limits of compassion?
Do you have compassion, love, or have you given a thought to the next victim of these criminals?
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#13Is this article trying to make me feel bad for these people? > Frank Athen Walls was an American serial killer and rapist who committed five murders between 1985 and 1987 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_A._Walls > Willacy attempted to strangle Sather with a telephone cord, and when that didn't work, he doused her in gasoline and set her on fire, records show. An autopsy determined that Sather had died from smoke…
Can you have compassion, love even, for someone who has committed horrific acts? Honest question, what are your limits of compassion?
When that compassion leads to them being back on the street to find more victims, that's a problem... a problem we seem to be facing more and more these days. Where is the love and compassion for the would-be victims of these people who have shown themselves to be the type to commit horrific acts? I have more compassion for innocent people I don't know than for murders I don't know.
Is the death penalty cruel or is it compassion? That's a hard question to answer. We say it's cruel to lock an animal up and let it suffer its whole life. The phrase people tend to use is, "put it out of its misery". When it comes to people we don't do that. We lock them up in a cage and let them stew with it for rest of their life. The whole time, giving them hope they might find a loophole to get out. A false hope is cruel, but letting them out if they find a loophole is also cruel to anyone who might end up their next victim.
I could flip the question around. What are the limits of your empathy? Are you willing to risk innocent lives to provide unlimited empathy and 2nd, 3rd, 10th chances for people who have committed horrific acts?
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you have compassion, love even, for someone who has committed horrific acts? Honest question, what are your limits of compassion?
Can you have compassion, love even, for someone who has been the victim of horrific acts? Honest question, what are your limits of compassion? Do you have compassion, love, or have you given a thought to the next victim of these criminals?
Yes, I feel compassion for the victims of horrific crimes too. I can hold both of them in my heart at the same time.
Simultaneously, I can understand the desire for the closure that comes with enacting the death penalty while being completely against it.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you have compassion, love even, for someone who has committed horrific acts? Honest question, what are your limits of compassion?
When that compassion leads to them being back on the street to find more victims, that's a problem... a problem we seem to be facing more and more these days. Where is the love and compassion for the would-be victims of these people who have shown themselves to be the type to commit horrific acts? I have more compassion for innocent people I don't know than for murders I don't know. Is the death penalty cruel or is i…
How did you get from me have compassion to concluding that this meant releasing them?
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you're ok with the state killing criminals? What if they get the wrong person?
> So you're ok with the state killing criminals? Yes. > What if they get the wrong person? Don't kill those.
We seem to be incapable of creating a perfect predictor - there will always be false positives. How do you square the moral implications of killing people by chance?
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#17A very heavy article. I'm not sure I agree with blaming the governer at all for this. I'm not supporting him in any way, but the court decided who was guilty sometimes decades before. Whether he throws a dart to decide who or not, the only options are people who were convicted.
I also take issue with this:
> As she sat in traffic looking at the commuters around her, she realized none of them had any idea that a man was slated to die that day.
It's a bit pedantic, but no she didn't. She may have hypothesized that, or guessed it, but she didn't realize it. She didn't know every person there. The commuter next to her might be even more in tune with the executions. She can't know that, so no she didn't realize that.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
When that compassion leads to them being back on the street to find more victims, that's a problem... a problem we seem to be facing more and more these days. Where is the love and compassion for the would-be victims of these people who have shown themselves to be the type to commit horrific acts? I have more compassion for innocent people I don't know than for murders I don't know. Is the death penalty cruel or is i…
How did you get from me have compassion to concluding that this meant releasing them?
That's often what I see when people talk about compassion in this context, especially when talking about the limits of compassion. How far are you expecting a person's compassion to go? The ultimate extension of compassion for a person would be letting them out and expunging their record to give them a full second chance to start over.
Can you clarify what you meant?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So you're ok with the state killing criminals? Yes. > What if they get the wrong person? Don't kill those.
We seem to be incapable of creating a perfect predictor - there will always be false positives. How do you square the moral implications of killing people by chance?
I’ve long seen this class of conversation on HN and my answer is always the same: introduce a higher burden of proof, maybe even “no doubt,” for capital punishment.
Imagine a scenario where the Pulse nightclub shooter surrendered to police and was on death row now. There is no doubt at all that he did the killing. Why waste calories concerned for a demon like that?
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#20Is this article trying to make me feel bad for these people? > Frank Athen Walls was an American serial killer and rapist who committed five murders between 1985 and 1987 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_A._Walls > Willacy attempted to strangle Sather with a telephone cord, and when that didn't work, he doused her in gasoline and set her on fire, records show. An autopsy determined that Sather had died from smoke…
> Is this article trying to make me feel bad for these people?
Its so loaded question.
You picked two cases, while ignoring huge flaws of the system, because of which there is a chance innocent people get executed. Frank Athen Walls is likely very different person today compared to what he was 40 years ago, what is the rational to execute him now?