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Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

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Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

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Post by hedora »

the_gipsy wrote: post #23

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You realize humans are going to be the first wave of collateral damage right? I already basically cannot browse the internet for technical information, since most high-quality forums are behind captchas that block my iPhone.

If I ask an agent to do it, it does better at finding the small percentage of sources not hosted by cloudflare. However, it generally cannot hit open-access / public domain sources (like the current legal code, or academic papers) because those are blocked and it respects stuff like robots.txt.

Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

#33

Post by nzeid »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #13

I am not a fan of the growing trend that Cloudflare is the gatekeeper of the internet. Personally I will never support this company, or firewall any of my websites behind it.

I'm old-man-yelling-at-the-clouds here. Everyone just uses Cloudflare, which is not a bad thing by itself. But do they _have_ to? Is managing your own edge really that terrifying?

Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

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Post by axus »

hedora wrote: post #31
the_gipsy wrote: post #23

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You realize humans are going to be the first wave of collateral damage right? I already basically cannot browse the internet for technical information, since most high-quality forums are behind captchas that block my iPhone. If I ask an agent to do it, it does better at finding the small percentage of sources not hosted by cloudflare. However, it generally cannot hit open-access / public domain sources (like the curr…

Would you be willing for Cloudflare to "Know their customer" (you) and pay 3 cents to access the forum, instead of filling in the captcha?

Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

#36

Post by smoovb »

colesantiago wrote: post #15

Can the agents use debit cards? Stablecoins doesn't make sense here and prefer not to use crypto at all.

Debit cards have to pay too many people. The acquiring bank, the receiving bank, the network, all take their fees. Stripe and their minimum $.30 per transactions leave no room for $0.01 API calls.

Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

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Post by skinfaxi »

nzeid wrote: post #33
VladVladikoff wrote: post #13

I am not a fan of the growing trend that Cloudflare is the gatekeeper of the internet. Personally I will never support this company, or firewall any of my websites behind it.

I'm old-man-yelling-at-the-clouds here. Everyone just uses Cloudflare, which is not a bad thing by itself. But do they _have_ to? Is managing your own edge really that terrifying?

> Is managing your own edge really that terrifying?

It's about convenience, not fear. Cloudflare is free for most companies until you need more advanced features.

Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

#38

Post by skybrian »

Micropayments have always suffered from an early adopter problem because it’s difficult to convince ordinary users to pay for web pages. But if a big company, perhaps one of the AI labs, started paying websites using this system then it might bootstrap the system?

I think the difficult part is that LLMs are gullible and it will absolutely be gamed if any real money can be made this way.

It would be nice if this became a viable alternative to paywalls, though.

Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

#39

Post by babelfish »

The upside of using this is that AI shops might pay you for your content. Realistically, they just won't use your content, there is more than enough free (or synthetic) data out there. Not even to mention their contracts with firms like Mercor etc.

I guess I don't understand who this is for. If you want your worldview reflected in the latest generations of models, you probably wouldn't use this. If you don't want your worldview reflected in the models, why would a few pennies change your mind?

Re: Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402

#40

Post by AviationAtom »

nzeid wrote: post #33
VladVladikoff wrote: post #13

I am not a fan of the growing trend that Cloudflare is the gatekeeper of the internet. Personally I will never support this company, or firewall any of my websites behind it.

I'm old-man-yelling-at-the-clouds here. Everyone just uses Cloudflare, which is not a bad thing by itself. But do they _have_ to? Is managing your own edge really that terrifying?

I think DDoS attacks are really what propelled them to the heights it has. The attacks seem to get bigger and bigger by the year. You need a really big pipe to filter them out on before passing on traffic to servers with a much smaller pipe.
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