Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report • Hacker News Board

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by jessienark » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 4:44 PM UTC

phire wrote: post #91

eqvinox wrote: post #46

> The defacto industry standard for audio ICs is I²S, an I²C-based bus optimised for audio data. Nit: I²S has nothing to do with I²C. (Most I²S chips also have an I²C interface since I²S only carries raw audio data, no sideband like volume control or clock configuration. But that's a separate interface and can also be SPI rather than I²C. In fact, SPI is more closely related to I²S than I²C is.)

Yeah, it's much closer to SPI. The reason why they both follow the same naming scheme is that Philips Semiconductor (now NXP) made both.

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Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by simonh » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 4:45 PM UTC

jagged-chisel wrote: post #147

drbawb wrote: post #131

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The Apple Platform Security[1] white paper describes the secure boot process for Apple silicon. The Mac boot process is significantly more configurable than the iOS boot process, and it allows operating in reduced security modes. (Including running locally signed operating systems.) Apple knows how to build an iPhone: if they wanted to lock down a Mac they would have simply done that. There's something like nine page…

I guess I'm missing something then. The Asahi blog says "Apple’s boot tooling will only work with what it considers to be a “valid” macOS installation inside an APFS container." Sounds very adversarial to "the ability to boot an arbitrary OS."

It basically just has to look like macOS in some trivial sense, it doesn't have to be macOS, there are no obstacles. The system is designed specifically to enable booting custom compiled kernels and former members of the Apple team have said booting other OSes was intentionally left open. The company just doesn't make any guarantees about that.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by nosioptar » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 4:49 PM UTC

dandellion wrote: post #119

nosioptar wrote: post #82

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You should have high standards. Torvalds often crosses that line into outright toxicity. I've written a few kernel patches that I never tried to upstream for that reason.

You'll never be able to agree on where that line should go. First because there's a cultural component to it. I'm from Spain so I can only talk for myself, but while he uses rude language, nothing I've ever read from him ever seemed particularly offensive. And second because any activity involving a large group of people will need some amount of toxicity if only to prevent other toxic people from derailing it, and si…

What a ridiculous comment. Here's a small sample of Torvalds being an ass.

https://github.com/corollari/linusrants/blob/master/table.md

Someone who doesnt see a problem with this is probably one of those toxic people who dont realize they're toxic you mentioned. Nobody wants to be treated how Torvalds treated people.

Also, coming from an orchestral background, I'm well aware of situations where the leader needs to be gruff. A gentle conductor will never get the idiot violists playing in tune. (A harsh one won't either, but at least the violists will be too scared to make any noise.) That said, it's still unacceptable for a conductor to cross the line from gruff to personal attacks.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by wpm » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 5:01 PM UTC

t-3 wrote: post #101

outadoc wrote: post #97

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> Why should Apple care if a modern Linux kernel boots without workarounds on their hardware? To sell more hardware? Obviously I get your point, but there's a bunch of customers who would like good ARM hardware but can't accomplish their work with macOS. It's not like Apple needs this tiny market, but it wouldn't hurt them either.

> Obviously I get your point, but there's a bunch of customers who would like good ARM hardware but can't accomplish their work with macOS. Citation needed.

Apple still ships a copy of Boot Camp Assistant in macOS Tahoe. It was great to be able to dual boot on Intel Macs and licensing BS aside it would be nice to be able to boot Win11 ARM on an M1.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 5:04 PM UTC

JSR_FDED wrote: post #6

I’m in absolute awe that a handful of motivated people can crack these problems

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Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by ufmace » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 5:09 PM UTC

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #112

Grombobulous wrote: post #102

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It is well-documented that Panther Lake is highly power efficient. I wouldn’t personally argue against that. The days of assuming that Apple has the best chip efficiency are coming to an end, especially if the Windows/Qualcomm platform is a workable choice for your needs (maybe someday Linux support will get better). Apple still has a lead but it’s small enough that it’s not a good reason to choose an Apple system on…

As far as I can tell, Framework’s claimed battery numbers require Windows to achieve, which is more than enough reason for many to not consider the FW 13 Pro as an option. If it can’t run Linux without sacrifice compared to Windows there’s no point. Standby time is likely also a major issue, unless Intel suddenly reversed course and decided to support proper sleep again.

Is there a laptop with super-awesome battery life on Linux? I'll buy one if so.

I'm not sure it's fair to ding Framework specifically for not being able to make Linux battery life as good as Windows. Is that actually something they could reasonably fix?

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by johnwalkr » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 5:11 PM UTC

KolmogorovComp wrote: post #127

I wonder how much LLMs have been leveraged to help Asahi lately, there’s extremely powerful for reverse-engineering. Have they written about it?

They forbid their use.

https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by 4fterd4rk » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 5:14 PM UTC

figmert wrote: post #11

sneak wrote: post #8

It is baffling to me that Apple, ostensibly a hardware company (that happens to be pursuing services revenue the way a crackhead pursues crack), ridiculously flush with cash, doesn’t throw 2 or 3 of their thousands of FTEs on this. The goodwill/brand marketing alone is worth their comp, and it will absolutely move units as well. Linux people LOVE laptops, and Apple makes the best laptops by a parsec. It seems like 10…

Because Apple is not just a hardware company anymore. They track users and they sell ads. Sure, they are not at the same level as Meta and Google, but their ad platform is not insignificant anymore. Also that same software platform allows to get more money out of their users via their App Store. Selling hardware with the software that helps them track means more revenue than the same hardware with the software.

The activities you're proclaiming to be Apple's bread and butter in an effort to conflate them with Google and Meta are actually a rounding error. What is it about Apple that makes people have these crazy ideas?

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by 4fterd4rk » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 5:16 PM UTC

urbsgpw wrote: post #61

Grombobulous wrote: post #51

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Food for thought: Apple’s services make more revenue than Macs and iPads combined, and they do so at a higher profit margin. There’s your answer. I don’t agree that Apple makes the best laptops by a parsec. Not anymore, many alternatives are closing the gap. This is aided by the fact that Apple hasn’t touched the MacBook Pro chassis in 5 years, making it quite dated especially with the underutilized, oversized notch…

Never thought I'd think about switching from Apple. M1 was handsdown the best buy ever and I was sure my next laptop would be an Apple as well. But looking at framework, this looks really nice. Apple-ish but without some of the drawbacks (also, while windows stinks, not really a MacOS fanboy tbh). Makes me kinda regret I was lazy and locked myself in using Apple passwords app.

For what it's worth, the Apple password implementation on Windows is actually pretty good. No love for Linux, though.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by Klonoar » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 5:20 PM UTC

Grombobulous wrote: post #114

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #112

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As far as I can tell, Framework’s claimed battery numbers require Windows to achieve, which is more than enough reason for many to not consider the FW 13 Pro as an option. If it can’t run Linux without sacrifice compared to Windows there’s no point. Standby time is likely also a major issue, unless Intel suddenly reversed course and decided to support proper sleep again.

It’s still going to be a respectable performer in Linux. The whole point of the 20 hour stunt was to show that it’s a major improvement and not a small one. Maybe it would have been better to show a default-settings Linux and Windows for comparison but I can understand why they wanted to hit 20 hours for marketing. Framework specifically has stated that they worked very hard to improve standby time and claim that it’…

In three comments you’ve moved the goalpost on the 20-hours-of-battery comment multiple times.

Just take the L, dude.