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The Anti-Palantir Manifesto
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#42The fear of an imminent surveillance state just rings so hollow to me. It used to appeal to me as an existential threat, but then real world experience made me realize how implausible this is, not due to technological limitations but political will. We already have surveillance states. Walk into any chain drug store in the country and you'll be met with cameras tracking your every movement, deodorant under lock and k…
Have you tried reading the news?
Perhaps the shoplifters are less iportant to the surveillance state than the people protesting government abuse and getting chased around the country to their workplaces and vacation hotels?
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#44The fear of an imminent surveillance state just rings so hollow to me. It used to appeal to me as an existential threat, but then real world experience made me realize how implausible this is, not due to technological limitations but political will. We already have surveillance states. Walk into any chain drug store in the country and you'll be met with cameras tracking your every movement, deodorant under lock and k…
Adding this comment:
1) We DO actually need to detect crime if we are going to fight it. Sticking our heads in the dirt and strapping a sign to our rear end saying "no surveillance" may feel good, but it does nothing for the victims of crime.
2) The anti-Palantir cries are funded in part by state actors whose operations are constrained by technology that detects and predicts their actions.
The quantity of anti-Palantir, anti-America and anti-American ally threads on HN has grown substantially. YCombinator and HN owe something to this country for setting conditions for their success. How about returning the favor though diligence in moderating HN?
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#45Europe and Asia have it much much worse than we do on the surveillance state. Ask anyone in jail for social media posts in the UK. Ask any Chinese citizen about their social score and how it's adjusted. So this sounds like an Anti-American and Anti-Palantir rant.
don't conflate anti-specific corporation with anti-american, that's what they want from you
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why can't you see the common theme? The internet is going to turn into a control mechanism if we don't equalize the power dynamic and build things that make it easy to empower the individual. Build for the common man, not the vampire.
> The internet is going to turn into a control mechanism if we don't equalize the power dynamic and build things that make it easy to empower the individual. What does that have to do with Palantir?
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#47The fear of an imminent surveillance state just rings so hollow to me. It used to appeal to me as an existential threat, but then real world experience made me realize how implausible this is, not due to technological limitations but political will. We already have surveillance states. Walk into any chain drug store in the country and you'll be met with cameras tracking your every movement, deodorant under lock and k…
It's not about the minor offenses of uninteresting people, but what happens because a change in political orientation makes you suddenly interesting. Even more so when AI automates this: Dear computer, we just got some ruling to remove citizenship of people that were not born in the country if they commit event the stupidest offenses: Go look them up.
It makes no sense for the authoritarian to anger everyone at once, but if you just convince people that complaining is bad for them, or expressing negative affect against the government, they can ge much done with little, and it doesn't take that much surveillance. We are already seeing governments that pursue their enemies to the fullest extent of the law for things that are, at best, dubious. Automation just makes this easier to do.
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#48Europe and Asia have it much much worse than we do on the surveillance state. Ask anyone in jail for social media posts in the UK. Ask any Chinese citizen about their social score and how it's adjusted. So this sounds like an Anti-American and Anti-Palantir rant.
don't conflate anti-specific corporation with anti-american, that's what they want from you
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#49> 19. America created the first global surveillance state, but it will not be the last. Too many have forgotten, or perhaps taken for granted, the revelations of Wikileaks and Snowden. States across the world from China to Russia are creating even more powerful global surveillance systems and propaganda machines. Leveraging private defense contracts in countries across the world, Palantir seeks to make itself the ope…
How hot does the water need to be before you raise the alarm? I think there is value in pointing out trend lines and voicing opposition even if there are other countries that have more authoritarian views on speech. This is not a competition, what matters is the experience of the people in the country today not the fact that if they moved to Russia it would be worse. What is important is that the US state has both ga…
Your comment is not responsive to the comment you replied to, which was a critique of point 19.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of your arguments are broad, baseless, and trivially disprovable. There absolutely is political will to enable a police state, and history absolutely rhymes.
> trivially disprovable Then disprove it. Here's some data around catch and release: Among persons admitted to state prison in 2014 across 34 states, 77% had five or more prior arrests in their criminal history, including the arrest that resulted in their prison sentence. About half of persons admitted in 2014 were released by the end of 2015. Among these released persons, over half (59%) were arrested at least once…
77% != 9 out of 10 and 5 != dozens. Seems like you’re doing a good job of disproving your own exaggerated claims.