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The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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I had high expectations, there’s a lot of interesting content in this topic, but this is 22 points of low-substance buzzwording. There’s no common theme, very little justification of any of the claims, and frankly very little to do with palantir

Why can't you see the common theme? The internet is going to turn into a control mechanism if we don't equalize the power dynamic and build things that make it easy to empower the individual. Build for the common man, not the vampire.

> The internet is going to turn into a control mechanism if we don't equalize the power dynamic and build things that make it easy to empower the individual.

What does that have to do with Palantir?

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Europe and Asia have it much much worse than we do on the surveillance state. Ask anyone in jail for social media posts in the UK. Ask any Chinese citizen about their social score and how it's adjusted. So this sounds like an Anti-American and Anti-Palantir rant.

Congratulations. You're a what-about-er.

Instead of "this is bad, let's fix it" you say "that other thing is worse so let's leave this the way it is (I'm profiting from it or, even more pathetic, I wish I could profit from it)".

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> These are my personal beliefs, not those of Nym. Why are you posting this on your company's site, littered with ads for the company's product? Post it on a personal blog, or just say that these indeed are the company's beliefs.

Because he is selling VPN. This is an advertorial, including using techniques like “darkened” image of the adversary to make them look like a villain.

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> 19. America created the first global surveillance state, but it will not be the last. Too many have forgotten, or perhaps taken for granted, the revelations of Wikileaks and Snowden. States across the world from China to Russia are creating even more powerful global surveillance systems and propaganda machines. Leveraging private defense contracts in countries across the world, Palantir seeks to make itself the ope…

How hot does the water need to be before you raise the alarm?

I think there is value in pointing out trend lines and voicing opposition even if there are other countries that have more authoritarian views on speech. This is not a competition, what matters is the experience of the people in the country today not the fact that if they moved to Russia it would be worse. What is important is that the US state has both gained capabilities to act that way, and has shown predilections for it.

Texas just gave a man 30 years for transporting zines because of the politics of those zines. The trend lines are potentially very bad. And it only gets harder to reverse if the concerned people are right; would you just say “I don’t think it can happen here” and have people wait until it does and delay talking about it until we are not allowed?

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My strong feeling while reading this “philosopher CEO”’s manifesto: consumer VPNs primarily help customers fight for their right to stream Netflix. This doesn’t strike me as effective advertisement.

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post #9

Europe and Asia have it much much worse than we do on the surveillance state. Ask anyone in jail for social media posts in the UK. Ask any Chinese citizen about their social score and how it's adjusted. So this sounds like an Anti-American and Anti-Palantir rant.

You might want to update yourself on what's happening in the USA too - 'Zine publisher sentenced to 50 years in prison for "material support to terrorists"':

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jun/...

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> 5. Surveillance can only be defeated by building software and hardware to defend ourselves.

Here's where it went off the rails. Once you've abandoned the idea of democracy and peaceful self-governance, you're just another technofascist. You are Palantir, just in an earlier stage.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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The fear of an imminent surveillance state just rings so hollow to me. It used to appeal to me as an existential threat, but then real world experience made me realize how implausible this is, not due to technological limitations but political will.

We already have surveillance states. Walk into any chain drug store in the country and you'll be met with cameras tracking your every movement, deodorant under lock and key and a security guard at the door. You walk in and the overseers know who you are and track your every move.

However, people walk in to drug stores every day and walk out with stuff. They're often unmasked and repeat offenders. The drug store chain gladly hands over all identifying information to police as well as their patterns. Yet nothing happens.

People comment on forums exactly how and where scams take place. YouTubers bait car and package thieves within hours. Whenever a horrific crime occurs, 9 times out of 10 the perpetrator has had dozens of arrests.

> The “enemy within” continually expands until it encompasses the entire population of a nation regardless of their status and beliefs, justifying evermore paranoid and totalizing surveillance.

So the police doesn't go after known criminals who have been arrested for the umpteenth time, but I'm made to believe they're about to come after me any day now for my innocuous offense, they just need one more Palantir camera.

Be real, there's just no political will to enable a police state.

So now on to technology. Technology should make our lives better. Police should use it to capture and stop the 1% of the population that's making life much more difficult for the rest of us. And they should lock them up for a considerable amount of time, not as rehabilitation or punishment, just to make the lives of ~99% of us better off. Maybe not 3 strikes, but can we settle on 10? 20? Anything would help.

So these theoretical arguments about a surveillance state where some hypothetical political dissident is getting doxed and raided just strikes me as fantasy.

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