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Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

#21
post #5

Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?

The vast majority of folks don't want to walk/bike in Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston, New Orleans, etc where it's near or over 100 degrees in the summer.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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post #2

Look up the history of this company, bus patrol - they're felons and in prison.

Who'd have thought a bus company would run buses for the various applications that buses are used for.

That point-of-view doesn't soothe anyone alarmed by expansion of warrantless law enforcement surveillance.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

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post #2

Look up the history of this company, bus patrol - they're felons and in prison.

I guess once someone is a felon, they should never be allowed income? You might be right to criticize the company itself, but is their specific felonious behavior problematic (if so, you haven't spelled that out)? The way you say it, just the fact of them being felons is the problem.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

#26
post #5

Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?

That's not the problem. Wave a magic wand and have all cities walkable and bikeable and you'd still have school busses.

I suppose we could wave more magic wands and say "ok, everybody with kids has to live in a city whether they like it or not" and wave some more magic wands and eliminate all concerns about crime or other dangers, but if we're going to wave this many magic wands maybe we should just wave one that makes it so children don't need to go to school at all because they are all magically educated already.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

#27
post #5

Maybe design cities to be walkable and bikeable so that you have the option get things done without driving a car which is inherently trackable?

The vast majority of folks don't want to walk/bike in Phoenix, Atlanta, Houston, New Orleans, etc where it's near or over 100 degrees in the summer.

But those people don't even have the option, so what do you mean they prefer to not walk/bike? How pleasant walking/biking will be is linked to density, reduced distance to amenities, and infrastructure, things almost no US cities have.

I live blocks from Costco in one of those cities but the option is either get on my bike and share the four-lane road with aggressive drivers in massive trucks/SUVs or use a tiny sidewalk that randomly stops and picks up again a block or two later.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

#28
post #9

While I'm sympathetic to a lot of privacy concerns, how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out? Also, every car with a dashcam or built in cameras is basically already this. Where I live every intersection has cameras. Most of the buildings. It's not like this is anything new and honestly, probably a better use of cameras than most of the other applic…

a) it doesn't actually happen that often b) when it does it's usually some stupid situation where robotic adherence to the lights is in poor taste (like a bus picking up or discharging an entire team on a right side curb, or a divided median) albeit legally mandated. c) School bus drivers already radio in plate numbers of anyone who does it in poor taste and the buses mostly already have dashcams so this isn't really…

Happens more school days than not on my street.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

#29
post #2

Look up the history of this company, bus patrol - they're felons and in prison.

I guess once someone is a felon, they should never be allowed income? You might be right to criticize the company itself, but is their specific felonious behavior problematic (if so, you haven't spelled that out)? The way you say it, just the fact of them being felons is the problem.

Perhaps not managing AI camera systems that track children. There are plenty of other career options.

Re: Your Kids' School Bus Is About to Become a Roaming Surveillance Vehicle

#30
post #9

While I'm sympathetic to a lot of privacy concerns, how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out? Also, every car with a dashcam or built in cameras is basically already this. Where I live every intersection has cameras. Most of the buildings. It's not like this is anything new and honestly, probably a better use of cameras than most of the other applic…

> how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out?

As a parent with children who take the bus... this actually doesn't matter. You can't assume that the car's owner is passing the school bus. So, this is a case of finding someone guilty with no physical evidence. And the real fear there is that suddenly you are guilty because someone else was using your Wi-Fi, and you suddenly have the burden of proof to prove your innocence.

> Where I live every intersection has cameras.

And now you are guilty of crimes. Prove you didn't do them.

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