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Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by atemerev »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #63
atemerev wrote: post #60

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I am in the industry too and I wish to get back to the academia sometimes. Sadly, CERN is not hiring Russians no matter what are their political convictions (I am pro-Ukraine, of course). But yes, as a Geneva resident, I was at the tunnels too (Alice), and I am always in awe every time I see this wonder of the modern world. Sometimes I wonder how actual humans could build this, much like people did for the pyramids.

>Sadly, CERN is not hiring Russians Is that even legal under Swiss discrimination laws?

They told you that CERN is an international org, and this is true, but it is also apparently legal under Swiss discrimination laws. I was declined a pure math position because of "knowledge security reasons" - for nothing but my passport. And it was legal, as discrimination laws apparently has many exceptions. I am not happy about it, but there's little I can do.

Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by stuff4ben »

Symbiote wrote: post #69
PradeetPatel wrote: post #63

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>Sadly, CERN is not hiring Russians Is that even legal under Swiss discrimination laws?

I don't think CERN is bound by Swiss laws. It's an intergovernmental organization with sovereign immunities.

Is that a thing? Can an organization be given sovereign immunity? I thought that was reserved for actual countries?

Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by Symbiote »

stuff4ben wrote: post #93
Symbiote wrote: post #69

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I don't think CERN is bound by Swiss laws. It's an intergovernmental organization with sovereign immunities.

Is that a thing? Can an organization be given sovereign immunity? I thought that was reserved for actual countries?

Yes, and it's not unusual for organizations like the World Health Organization, the UN or its agencies, the Red Cross etc.

Examples:

https://repository.cern/records/ypas9-j5751

https://cds.cern.ch/record/1035110/files/cer-002693576.pdf

https://www.icrc.org/en/document/status-update-icrcs-legal-s...

Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by rettichschnidi »

max-ch wrote: post #42

I was visiting CERN on one of their Open Days during the previous shutdown. This is one of the rare occasion where visitors can enter the LHC. I walked for about 500m along the beam which is remarkably small despite all its protection. Standing inside LHCb (one of the experiments where they track collisions) was one of my most awe-inspiring moments about science and technology. Photos don’t do it justice. It’s a mult…

> Photos don’t do it justice.

And it does not capture the awe when you notice the constant crackling sounds down there. For which, as the tour guide explained to us, nobody knows the root cause, despite bright minds investigating it.

Sadly, I could not find any sources online about this topic.

Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by SiempreViernes »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #90
SiempreViernes wrote: post #87

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Please just stop typing this sort of nonsense.

> nonsense I'm intimately familiar with how high-energy physicists get hired and funded. The funding comes from the political and budget bucket labeled "nuke stuff". E.g., Fermilab is under the U.S. Department of Energy. CERN is funded by the European Organization for Nuclear Research. Etc., etc. Politicians fund this stuff only because it triggers their wunderwaffen FOMO.

> CERN is funded by the European Organization for Nuclear Research.

So you don't know that CERN is the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, that's even worse than what I expected.

Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by myself248 »

MikeNotThePope wrote: post #45
max-ch wrote: post #42

I was visiting CERN on one of their Open Days during the previous shutdown. This is one of the rare occasion where visitors can enter the LHC. I walked for about 500m along the beam which is remarkably small despite all its protection. Standing inside LHCb (one of the experiments where they track collisions) was one of my most awe-inspiring moments about science and technology. Photos don’t do it justice. It’s a mult…

I felt a similar way when I visited the Gran Telescopio Canarias, a 10.4m telescope in La Palma in the Canary Islands. It’s hard to take pictures of the entire telescope because it’s so damn big. I love experiencing the feeling of being in awe.

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Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

cauch wrote: post #77
g6pdh wrote: post #74

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Yes, I know her and I agree with what she says. I also think many physicists working in the field secretly agree with her but it's a taboo to admit it openly. As an insider I can assure you that currently most analyses in experimental particle physics are a mechanical repetition of previous analyses with a few slight modifications to adapt them to the bigger statistics. It's true that it could simply be an effect due…

I am also a former CERN scientist, and while I agree with the fact that recent papers are more and more a box-checking exercise with low value, I'm concerned on how Hossenfelder misrepresent the causes of that and the situation. You say yourself that this situation can be simply an effect due to the experiment lifetime, and I also think it's a reasonable hypothesis. What gives me pause with Hossenfelder is that she j…

Hossenfelder is falling into the same trap most people who make their living off social media do. Lots of money can be made with conspiracies and controversies, much more than with boring facts. This just seems to creep up over time on most of these people. Jordan Peterson fell into the same trap. He used to have pretty interesting insights but then he developed a huge loyal following and over time he felt like he knew the truth about pretty much everything. And the followers were happily cheering him on.

Re: CERN bids farewell to the LHC and enters Long Shutdown 3

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Post by myself248 »

adastra22 wrote: post #68
amarant wrote: post #67

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Damn that sounds fun! How big a risk of being shot would I be running if I tried this?

A non-negligible risk. More likely to get lost and drown. I wouldn't do it. But you can read about it: https://medium.com/@liboski/the-superconducting-super-collid... https://weburbanist.com/2014/09/11/the-desertron-worlds-larg...

Having spent some time as a cellular tech in Detroit, scrambling up half-wrecked stairwells in long-abandoned buildings to service the radio equipment still running on the roof, those accounts make it sound downright tame. I'd visit in a heartbeat next time I'm in DFW.

The landscape is so spacious, I hesitate to call it urb-ex. Rur-ex?

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