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Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by ang_cire »

WarmWash wrote: post #65
ang_cire wrote: post #62

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You have paid a lot, if not in money. You paid with your data, that Google read from your emails and searches, and sold for money.

You load google's ads and trackers?

If you use Google search or Gmail, they read everything you write, and aggregate that into data packages not just for ads to show you, but even aggregated demographic data to sell for ad targeting.

Regardless of whether the ads reach you or not, you as a data point add to the count that make the package enticing to advertisers, so you're helping them sell the package anyways.

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by IsTom »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #33
IsTom wrote: post #28

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Have you checked in EU?

Checked what in EU? Do Microsoft not bundle their own browser in Windows in EU?

I haven't used windows in a long time, but on Android there's a dialog to pick browser and search engine on setup. So I'd assume that they're also bound by DMA in the same way.

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by drstewart »

vitally3643 wrote: post #36
carlosjobim wrote: post #25

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Well if the Swedish courts stomp on Google in the name of national interest, maybe the US will stomp on Sweden in the name of national interest. Now consider where Klarna gets the most of their money from.

The US literally just lost the war in Iran. I don't think they're actually capable of "stomping" on anyone.

Now imagine how bad European militaries are.

All of Europe can't even push back a broken husk of Russia.

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by drstewart »

IsTom wrote: post #28
spunker540 wrote: post #16

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Last I checked they still do exactly that. Not sure why that case is used as an example when literally every OS bundles a preferred browser

Have you checked in EU?

Does IKEA sell it's competitors products too or does Sweden not care about monopolies for them suddenly?

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by esme388 »

piva00 wrote: post #30
carlosjobim wrote: post #25

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Well if the Swedish courts stomp on Google in the name of national interest, maybe the US will stomp on Sweden in the name of national interest. Now consider where Klarna gets the most of their money from.

So no country can ever take action and enforce their local laws because the USA can retaliate? Why have local laws in that case? Better we all just adopt American laws to not have to fear the Americans getting pissy when they diverge...

I know you you're being sarcastic but a lot of people probably think that's perfectly ok and is the way everything should be...

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by fsuts »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #69
victorbjorklund wrote: post #55

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Pretty sure Google would loose its search business if Google search only contained websites owned by Google.

Because of the introduction of AI overview, click-through rates are dropping like crazy. Up to 70% of Google searches now end without any clicks to third party websites. So most search users already stay completely within Google's ecosystem.

But does that apply to shopping?

I have often had a look at Google shopping results but very rarely clicked one.

I think when searching for an answer ai assist is often sufficient but not for where you are buying?

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Post by IsTom »

drstewart wrote: post #74
IsTom wrote: post #28

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Have you checked in EU?

Does IKEA sell it's competitors products too or does Sweden not care about monopolies for them suddenly?

What is illegal is using your monopoly in one area to further your other enterprises.

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by drstewart »

IsTom wrote: post #77
drstewart wrote: post #74

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Does IKEA sell it's competitors products too or does Sweden not care about monopolies for them suddenly?

What is illegal is using your monopoly in one area to further your other enterprises.

Oh like having a grocery store and restaurant in your furniture store?

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by toxik »

drstewart wrote: post #70
vrganj wrote: post #26

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All of the free services are just part of the ad sales funnel. Never forget, the consumer never benefits, they are only the cattle to be fattened up. Them not launching in Europe gives the local market a chance to build up its own players. China was very successful in this thanks to the Great Firewall.

>Them not launching in Europe gives the local market a chance to build up its own players Exactly! This is what is genius about Trumps tariff strategy, as you correctly point out. Blocking Chinese EVs gives a chance to bully up local players.

Well, this is plain old protectionism and typically you down the line realize you're falling behind the rest of the market as your domestic products are not subject to the same competition. This is how China fell behind last time, with its reckoning in the beginning of the 20th century. It's hysterical that they have decided on doing the same thing again. It's hysterical that the US has decided to do so as well.

Re: Swedish court says Google is to pay $1.5B to Klarna in antitrust damages

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Post by brainwad »

Hikikomori wrote: post #61
brainwad wrote: post #54

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But is searching for products a new product line, or just a natural extension of searching for webpages (many of which are about products)? Where do you draw the line between merely improving the monopoly product and abusing the monopoly?

Showing your own product like google maps or shopping at the top of each relevant search result is likely over the line, maybe its ok if its down in the results, still high not always number 1. But for example if they're behind a user choice like a click after your search is done, ie click shopping or maps because you want to use googles products in this case, then its likely not over the line. If its still over the…

I don't really think of showing rich shopping results as preferring "Google's product". It's just showing links to merchants in a fancier UI. It's fundamentally still search, linking out to 3rd party websites.

FWIW, even what you think should be allowed is banned in Europe. On Google Search in the EU there is no "Shopping" or "Maps" tab.

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