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Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by Markoff »

don't wanna sound like shill but for all people claiming you need some permit when installing one they should look into something like Midea PortaSplit - it's portable, but at same time it's like your regular multisplit unit, much more efficient

personally I have at home Toshiba, father has Mitsubishi, but when living in China had experiences with all major Chinese brands like Gree, Midea, Haier, etc. and would have zero worries about their quality, they produce shitton of them for CN market

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by vldx »

Markoff wrote: post #53
basisword wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most ordinary working people can't afford the cost of installing a system. Even a portable one. Edit: Downvoted because HN users don't understand living paycheque to paycheque. Talk about an echo chamber.

funny take Bulgaria is one of the poorest EU countries and I have seen there way more ACs than in much richer Czechia or elsewhere, this is not about price at all heck, even in Czechia I find much more ACs in some poor cities compared to the richest Prague, I've seen bigger AC ratio per apartment in my small poor ~40K hometown than in Prague, in our 40 units building in Prague I was the first one to have AC, after ma…

More precisely, it’s the poorest country in EU and ~80% of households (highest share in EU) have _at least_ one unit (mini splits). Most households use them for heating also during the cold season.

There are no subsidies and/or regulations around this at all. The downside is that it doesn’t look pretty most of the time (unless it’s a new build with infra for multi-split traces).

In that context, this whole “europoors” narrative feels like some weird psyop to me.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by snehk »

quantummagic wrote: post #69
Oras wrote: post #4

> The heat wave has prompted a renewed discussion about the lack of air-conditioning systems in homes and offices across much of Europe Discussion, common sense requires discussion. All you need to know about them in one sentence.

Some of the discussion going online, has asserted that heat related deaths in Europe exceed gun related deaths in the USA by some margin. If true, it has been ignored as a problem for too long.

You can't trust those numbers, though. If you get drunk and jump into a river and drown it's counted as a heat related death.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by SiempreViernes »

frollogaston wrote: post #134
SiempreViernes wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global warming keeps making the temperature unnaturaly high, don't tell me you didn't hear about it.

I know the average temps have gone up and there have been more extremes, but it's not like it moved 20˚F. They really don't have that level of tolerance in these systems? USA and other countries have been dealing with global warming too, the A/C still works. https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/be/brussels/EBB ... shows lately it was 97˚ in Brussels. In 2005 it was 93˚ around the same time.

The affected building was last renovated in the early 1990s, where average max temperature was around 18 degrees.

But even now "normal" average max temperature is only 21.7 degrees[1] and on the 23 of June temperatures reached 36.6 degrees, which is indeed over 20 deg F hotter than the normal maximum temperature for June.

[1]: https://opendata.meteo.be/geonetwork/srv/eng/catalog.search#... see INS 21004

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by kleiba2 »

anonzzzies wrote: post #81
kleiba2 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on the country. If you live in a place that - traditionally - had only an expected few days of really hot temperatures every summer, it wasn't worth the investment. With climate change, the temperatures are now higher and the heat stretches longer.

Agreed, the EU is not that small and Southern countries had to go before northern but now I feel it is pretty normal. Might be my circle of course. Or in a shorter way; YMMV. I know zero people without aircon and one couple live fulltime in a yurt.

I don't know anybody with an aircon. Not a single house.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by tpm »

Markoff wrote: post #53
basisword wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most ordinary working people can't afford the cost of installing a system. Even a portable one. Edit: Downvoted because HN users don't understand living paycheque to paycheque. Talk about an echo chamber.

funny take Bulgaria is one of the poorest EU countries and I have seen there way more ACs than in much richer Czechia or elsewhere, this is not about price at all heck, even in Czechia I find much more ACs in some poor cities compared to the richest Prague, I've seen bigger AC ratio per apartment in my small poor ~40K hometown than in Prague, in our 40 units building in Prague I was the first one to have AC, after ma…

But in Bulgaria you need one during at least the whole summer and I suspect also a bit longer, while in Czechia you could have gone without one the whole year and really need one only for a week or two in the summer. So most people didn't think it was worth the expense. Now that's changed and the attitude will change too.

In my newish (25y old, well insulated) flat we really started to feel the need to get one only 2-3 years ago. Until then it was nice to have but not necesarry.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by pandaman »

wnevets wrote: post #29
basisword wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most ordinary working people can't afford the cost of installing a system. Even a portable one. Edit: Downvoted because HN users don't understand living paycheque to paycheque. Talk about an echo chamber.

Something is very wrong with the EU if ordinary Europeans can't afford a $150 window unit.

From what I understand, windows in Europe are very different than in the US - they don't slide open but swing, like doors. So an American window unit, which seals the window opening, is not feasible. They have portable units with air hoses, but I am also not sure how you can get such a hose out of a swinging window without leaving a big gap for the hot air to come back.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by wnevets »

pandaman wrote: post #147
wnevets wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something is very wrong with the EU if ordinary Europeans can't afford a $150 window unit.

From what I understand, windows in Europe are very different than in the US - they don't slide open but swing, like doors. So an American window unit, which seals the window opening, is not feasible. They have portable units with air hoses, but I am also not sure how you can get such a hose out of a swinging window without leaving a big gap for the hot air to come back.

Those type of windows exist in America and for $20 you can buy a kit for them on Amazon.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by pandaman »

wnevets wrote: post #148
pandaman wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand, windows in Europe are very different than in the US - they don't slide open but swing, like doors. So an American window unit, which seals the window opening, is not feasible. They have portable units with air hoses, but I am also not sure how you can get such a hose out of a swinging window without leaving a big gap for the hot air to come back.

Those type of windows exist in America and for $20 you can buy a kit for them on Amazon.

"A kit for them" to do what?

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Post by wnevets »

pandaman wrote: post #149
wnevets wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those type of windows exist in America and for $20 you can buy a kit for them on Amazon.

"A kit for them" to do what?

To prevent the cold air from escaping.
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