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A retrospective of my time on the internet

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Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

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On the flipside, I was able to purchase three albums in FLAC format, DRM free, from an obscure band that I thought wouldn't have a legitimate path to purchase. https://boomkat.com/artists/magic-lantern I also use Linux exclusively at home, with a paranoid-level of lists added to my pihole, so I don't see anywhere near as much friction as the average user.

>so I don't see anywhere near as much friction as the average user.

What do you mean by friction?

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

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it is the trust and self-policing. We were on forums (even usenet) and got along. I think it's because back in Usenet days, most people posted their real names, home addresses, work addresses, and telephone numbers as part of their signatures. Now there is zero accountability for anything anyone says. Go ahead and lie. There is no reputational penalty. Maybe what we need is a re-birth of forms, but with accountabilit…

I mean, isn't that just NextDoor?

I haven't been on NextDoor in more than a decade. Does it list phone numbers and employers now?

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

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> what requires the internet or becomes tedious if we opt not to use the internet

> Listening to music

Isn’t that just their choice? The most tedious it can get is if you want to stay completely offline, then for acquisition you have to buy the CD or Vinyl in person, which makes it about exactly as tedious as it used to be before the internet. Listening offline? Extremely easy. Works the same way it always had, but the software is better.

There are a lot more examples like this, where the tedious part is simply how it used to be, and using the internet instead is making it easier.

It doesn’t become tedious, it always was, and the internet simply offers an easier alternative. Granted, there are some other examples on there, but not that many.

They shortly after say "joking aside", but that seems like a lot of text for a "joke".

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

#134
There's this one unexpectedly pensive line in Indiana Jones III

> We've reached the point where life stops giving us things and starts taking them away

That's how I feel about the internet. Fun while it lasted, but I think AI is going to keep diluting authenticity and intention at scale until that "why bother" feeling reaches critical mass and we try something else. Maybe it will kick more people offline into physical meet-ups and group hobbies.

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

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To me, "gamergate" - or I dunno, the "alt right" thing more broadly, it's hard for me to remember which thing begat which, or maybe I never knew - was when I first remember thinking "what's with all the nastiness?". I was on twitter back then, and it felt to me like some kind of flood gate opening.

Gamergate was definitely an inflection point, though my opinion on it has changed throughout the years. I think it was the first internet squabble where throwing around accusations of "isms" became a common tactic. And in defense of what? "Gaming journalism" is as bad as it's ever been. There's a real "access media" problem in the industry as well as a laser focus on social issues at the expense of almost everything…

That’s not how I interpret gamergate. Actually I view gamergate as the staging post for MAGA and Trump getting elected.

It was a great trial run for flooding the zone with lies and outrage to defeat progressives. It worked then and continues to work.

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

#136
I remember the golden age of dial-up Bulletin Board Systems. I remember the golden age of Usenet. I remember the golden age of blogs. I remember the golden--well, silver--age of FaceBook and Twitter.

Things tarnish. New things pop up to replace them. I'm currently witnessing the tarnishing of Substack.

It was ever thus; so shall it be.

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

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I remember a lot of bad natured Usenet flame wars. I don’t think it’s worse now it’s just the volume got louder and things like reddit amplifying stupid to new lows. Easy enough to avoid. Facebook and LinkedIn I would consider novel compared to usenet but it’s hard to tell the fakeness and bots from each other, or from static. Again, easy to avoid.

Yes, what we remember is interesting, especially while reflecting on posts such as OPs. The Internet that I grew up with didn't have bots, neighbourhood gossipers, weaponised propaganda... we spurned people trying to sell stuff. My teenage Internet predated widespread use of email, so predated spam. Maybe my rose-coloured glasses remember a smaller number of real people and a demographic that was closer to my own.

No, you've hit on the issue. The shit that is the internet now didn't come about solely due to scale—or even from the newbies migrating in via AOL. It came about because bad-intentioned and greed-driven actors moved in to make money, or to push their propaganda.

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

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“People” != Internet people. “People” at large were not part of the early Internet. They came much later and turned it into a shopping mall/surveillance hub. I would love to return to a smaller Internet without the masses. We did just fine.

>I would love to return to a smaller Internet without the masses. Really? I would consider myself an "Internet person" in the sense you're saying. I spend most of my time, if not on old-school forums, certainly on discussion forums like this one and imageboards. I don't find that the existence of those other platforms affects me much, besides allowing me to use them when I'm the mood to do so, and if they went away I…

The early Internet had many more small personal and hobby sites, and it was easier to find them. Some are still there, but they get drowned out in the noise. If the commercial noise were gone, in some hypothetical new web, personal sites would be all that remains.

The Gemini protocol space is somewhat like this now, it’s very cozy. (But I’d prefer a Gemini-like web with guaranteed privacy and anonymity.)

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

#139

Born in 89, I always feel nostalgic seeing screenshots of Windows 95. It brings back a time of novelty, exploration, and freedom. And what a ride it's been. It's a bit of a shame it went that deep. What started as a fun new technology seems to have turned into a vortex that just absorbed everything (attention spans, social skills, overall IQ) and everyone (we're now more alone and isolated behind screens), save for t…

Needing a QR code to order food is a signal

Re: A retrospective of my time on the internet

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I had the same weird feeling reading the post. Where OP was 'living there' in 2007, I was building sophisticated apps with big teams to do things build commercial insurance systems. I don't know whether I built the things that OP missed about the old days, or paved over the things that he used as a child. If there is one thing I miss about the Internet that I grew up with, it is the trust and self-policing. We were o…

We did not all get along. I remember some incredible flamewars on echomail, certainly, and also on usenet.

And yet those look so quaint (in scope, certainly) nowadays.
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