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Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by throw10920 »

gck1 wrote: post #638
llelouch wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been an anti anthropic propaganda push by bad actors across social media sites especially Reddit and twitter. This started a few months ago when anthropic started beating openai.

> This started a few months ago when anthropic started beating openai. From where I'm standing, this started a few months ago when Anthropic decided to gaslight users, sabotage their projects, ship malware and attempt a regulatory capture. If there's an anti-ANT propaganda, it is solely of ANT's own making.

> gaslight users

When?

> sabatoge their projects

Again, when?

> attempt a regulatory capture

Yet again, when?

> ship malware

This definitely never happened.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by hombre_fatal »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #170
hombre_fatal wrote: post #140

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I don't think many people care that they are trying to detect resellers and distillation. It also doesn't seem very consistent to fixate on that while sending Anthropic everything about you via your day to day prompts, every line of the projects and environments you're working on at work, etc. Their credibility comes from having one of the best models.

This sounds similar to what people were saying regarding Microsoft when the shady tricks of consumer Windows 10 versions were revealed. …And then Windows 11 became even worse.

Surely we can do better than vague gesturing on HN.

For one, stake out a concrete position so people have something of substance to respond to.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

eloisius wrote: post #540
ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #499

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I'd think the problem with fanboys is that they don't care about the truth of the underlying arguments. They just want to score points for their team. Do you have a different issue with them? If not, why not engage with the arguments yourself?

I know from reflecting on my own beliefs now compared with 10-15 years past that one's beliefs can change, and I don't want to be so cynical as to say that these fanboys don't actually believe what they are saying and only want to score points. I'm sure there's a great deal of commentary that is astroturf, but I think there are plenty of (hopefully young and naive) techno-optimists who sincerely think companies like…

To be clear, I'm not saying that they don't believe what they say, just that they don't evaluate arguments critically. It's easy to agree with every argument that supports your existing position, but it's a recipe for disaster and they should be taken on a case-by-case basis.

>To some degree, its performative debate

No offense intended, and I'm certainly guilty of this myself at times, but this is a pretty gross way to talk to other people. It's certainly antisocial on the individual level and I think it's also pretty destructive on the community level- I look to Twitter as a case study here, which flipped from a left to a right-wing echo chamber without ever touching anything in between, which I blame on the design, algorithm, and culture being built around performance. Dunks are not truth-seeking behavior, but they perform very well.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by JoBrad »

bayindirh wrote: post #313
filoleg wrote: post #311

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> distilling the model with another model is not illegal per se. Just because it is legal, that doesn't mean Anthropic wouldn't reasonably want to prevent that from happening (which, from my understanding, isn't illegal either).

I love the asymmetry. When small fish tries to protect itself, big fish hits small fish with "It's not illegal" pole. When small fish points out that what the big fish is crying about is "not illegal", big fish has the right to be above the law to prevent the problem themselves. Having values requires equality. They have lost the right to cry foul when they trained their model with "but it's fair use" card. Life work…

Is China the little fish here?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by throw10920 »

nonethewiser wrote: post #719
throw10920 wrote: post #441

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Altman is also exactly the kind of person who would resort to tactics like this.

It's funny to imagine Sam Altman alt-posting on Hackernews about how shitty Anthropic is. The n'th comment on some vibe coded app denigrating it for the claude's style. Not even a sophisticated attack to change the narrative. Just Sam Altman jumping on the pile.

It'd even be recreational. Not just a business move, but fun. "Hey I got a minute on the toilet, let me login to `amas` and troll on the latest Anthropic thread"

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by nonethewiser »

pknerd wrote: post #552

Anthropic is angry that others are doing what it's good at: stealing content

Common sentiment but not very logical.

Models are built using information but the building aspect is not inevitable or trivial. There has been enough information to build LLMs for a long time. But we didn't have LLMs because we didn't have the technology. What's being copied here is that technology, not the information. Hence going to Anthropic.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by solenoid0937 »

n_kr wrote: post #566
solenoid0937 wrote: post #496

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Please do some research on how they treat their own dissident citizens. 57k citizens disappeared since 2013, and another 5k every year. Their human rights lawyers sent to concentration camps, forced to eat their own shit, raped, and then murdered. Mere online criticism of the government gets you a visit from the police and gets you put on the watchlist. Often a few months' imprisonment without trial. This is not even…

I'm not doubting you but could you provide sources for your claims? TIA

https://safeguarddefenders.com/sites/default/files/pdf/Locke... has some accounts from survivors.

Also here: https://www.state.gov/reports/2023-country-reports-on-human-...

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by [deleted] »

doginasuit wrote: post #460
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #412

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No fire, just people looking for a reason to be upset. "They didn't tell us they were secretly checking for ToS violations" is their reason this time.

It is not checking that is the problem, it is sending obfuscated information about the user without disclosure. That is unacceptable in any context, let alone a tool that requires an unprecedented level of trust.

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