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Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by MichaelApproved » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:44 PM UTC

Dumblydorr wrote: post #4

They never mention they could’ve been wrong. The author assumes they’re always right, but that trying to convince others and argue them to their right side is not valuable. How about: maybe I’m wrong and I didn’t let their ideas influence me. How about: even when I think I’m right, it will be better to calmly kindly discuss, listening as much as talking, not debating or arguing or speaking over them, but attempting t…

The point being made is to pick your battles.

The author’s point is that, even if you are correct 100% of the time, fighting every battle is toxic to yourself and everyone around you.

They are saying to look past the fact that you might be right and consider that it’s not worth the effort anyway.

Now, I will attempt to put down my phone and not respond to any replies I get to the contrary.

Sweating intensifies…

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by hahahaa » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:45 PM UTC

tryagainian wrote: post #15

josefritzishere wrote: post #3

This is a bizarrely anti-democratic. "Winning" isn't the important part of discussing a topic with multiple points of view.

Do you believe all points of view are equally valuable?

If they are not (in a small team) you have real problems. Not everyone will be right or be happy, but their pov has value, and equally? More or less.

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by barrenko » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:45 PM UTC

“Few people think more than two or three times a year; I have made an international reputation for myself by thinking once or twice a week.” ― George Bernard Shaw

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by toomuchtodo » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:45 PM UTC

Some of the best professional advice I ever received was "Half your job is being liked by those you work for and with, everything else you can learn."

Being right is important in the context of the work you're responsible for delivering on, but so is knowing when to be right, and knowing when not to care if they're wrong. If the decision is outside of your control, document extensively, establish and preserve a paper trail, and move on. "Thoughts, knowledge, and opinions, loosely held."

(i believe that is the point of author's piece; pick your battles, you will not win every one, nor should you try or think of it as winning)

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by hakunin » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:46 PM UTC

One of the most cancerous developments of our generation is a bunch of people isolating themselves from everyone else, and having their perfect unchallenged audience captured views spread far and wide.

On a more personal level, the reason people are frustrated about arguing is because they can’t fully articulate their reasons. They don’t realize it themselves. The older you get and the more practiced you get at arguing, the less contentious it becomes, as you can simply say what underpins what you’re saying in an easily understandable way, and then if that didn’t convince the other side, you did all you could.

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by jasonlotito » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:46 PM UTC

qsera wrote: post #11

Dumblydorr wrote: post #4

They never mention they could’ve been wrong. The author assumes they’re always right, but that trying to convince others and argue them to their right side is not valuable. How about: maybe I’m wrong and I didn’t let their ideas influence me. How about: even when I think I’m right, it will be better to calmly kindly discuss, listening as much as talking, not debating or arguing or speaking over them, but attempting t…

Isn't that what they mean by "changing yourself"?

It is exactly that. You aren't crazy to question this.

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by elevation » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:46 PM UTC

tryagainian wrote: post #15

josefritzishere wrote: post #3

This is a bizarrely anti-democratic. "Winning" isn't the important part of discussing a topic with multiple points of view.

Do you believe all points of view are equally valuable?

Some are more equal than others.

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:46 PM UTC

hahahaa wrote: post #17

AussieWog93 wrote: post #9

[flagged]

This is not AI

The headings style wasn't an immediate giveaway to you? The rules of three in every. short. staccato. paragraph? The X, not Y?

The author's writing is wildly different pre-AI.

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by reaperducer » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:46 PM UTC

mikert89 wrote: post #12

Correct someone else at work and get ready for endless politics

Correct someone else at work and get ready for endless politics

Three things you never discuss at work: Religion, politics, and The Great Pumpkin.

Re: Most arguments are about ego, not ideas

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Post by 6P58r3MXJSLi » Wed, Jul 01, 2026, 1:46 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #14

One reason TO argue is to seek out opposite points of view, which you can then use to hone your own thinking, including doing a 180.

Yep!

I do it all the time, just to listen to a completely different POV from mine.

It's like the good old trick to get an answer on Reddit:

Create Account #1.

Ask your question.

Wait.

Create Account #2.

Post a confidently wrong answer.

Watch 37 people rush in to correct you.