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Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by mrtksn »

aa-jv wrote: post #356
mrtksn wrote: post #348

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> Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Virginia Guiffre. Medea Benjamin. Your free speech examples are telling enough. You should check out what happened to them.

Their speech was not actually suppressed, or else we wouldn't be talking about them. In fact their speech was protected by the courts, as intended. That the US Military/Industrial Intelligence Complex nevertheless violated their human rights extra-judiciously is another thing, and I concur with the cynicism over the whole 'phony human rights' stance of the US, especially given its recent overt support for actual geno…

So in other words it as Idi Amin of Uganda said: There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech :)

Just because you eventually go free after your life gets ruined by the government doesn't really make you better than Uganda. In those shitty countries they too go free eventually.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by nashashmi »

kakacik wrote: post #107
jagged-chisel wrote: post #78

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It logically supports the claim "More and more we see the relationship with authoritarianism and tyranny out in the open." It's a shame someone is so sensitive to a subject that it can't even be used as additional support of another argument.

Well most of the discussions could very easily end up making parallels to nazis since we see similar situations all around us over and over, hence Godwin's law. its generally considered a poor performance though and better arguments are expected. Palestine is so divisive it should have its own 'law' - both sides are abhorable, both sides are shielded by fanatics who don't want to hear any criticism of their side, des…

No it could not end up making parallels to nazis. Nazis were a century before. That incident is now moot. We are dealing with a new fascism in the 21st century. And we are seeing this fascism both in Belgium with the Trump celebrations, in Europe with their crackdown on protests, and in the US with ICE activities.

And even if "both sides" are abhorable, only one side is in power of influence. And this is how they behave with that power.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by nashashmi »

flohofwoe wrote: post #80
danw1979 wrote: post #74

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Only if you’re not following along. The link is police abusing their allowed powers to silence free speech and protest.

> The link is police abusing their allowed powers to silence free speech and protest. If you'd actually read the post you'd know that its about the the US ambassador being an asshole and the Belgian police doing their job (quickly removing a supposed 'active threat' from an event - because that's the only information they had - they later realized their mistake and that the 'active threat' was just a journalist askin…

If Authority being manipulated by tyrants is the theme here, then the reference to the protests and Belgium is apt.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by szmarczak »

vanviegen wrote: post #359
szmarczak wrote: post #301

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Ah yes. Let me detain you for 8 hours for doing what you're legally allowed to do. Sorry for my mistake, it's all paid by the taxpayers anyway.

Apparently they were given information by the US embassy that these people were an "active thread". Perhaps they could have figured out that this was bullshit sooner, but I don't think it's the police who are at fault here.

The wording is so ambiguous, they should've determined what's the threat first. Or else anybody could point at anybody and say "active threat".

Most likely they still would've been kicked, but without being detained.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by lenkite »

sequoia wrote: post #229
vrganj wrote: post #159

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* AIPAC is one of the biggest donors to US political campaigns. * Entanglement of tech industries * Israel serves as an outpost of US imperialism in the Middle East. * Shared understanding with fellow Settler-Colonialist state * On a related note, it's a country with a big white-reading population in a mostly brown neighborhood. * Evangelicals believe Israel is where the battle that rings in the Second Coming will ha…

People think AIPAC is some all powerful unique lobbying group, in fact they're not even in the top 10 major lobbyists. Did you know SpaceX gave 5x as much as AIPAC in 2024? AIPAC was also outspent by Coinbase, by Ripple, and several other companies[0]. And this "18th largest lobbyist" position is after a post-october-7 surge in spending. Pre-october-7 (2022) they were ranked forty sixth in terms of spending. Can you…

AIPAC is also the unique lobbying group that effectively threatens US congressfolk on X. After Massie lost, they went ahead and boasted that "elected officials are free to disagree with us, but only briefly". They deleted that post after extensive outrage, then said it was "fake" a few weeks later. But way too many independent people across the entire political spectrum took screenshots of that timeline.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by NopIdoN »

gspr wrote: post #358
bentley wrote: post #349

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Trespassing (intransitive) is different from trespassing someone (transitive). It’s not unusual for a verb to mean something different when used transitively versus when used intransitively. To “trespass” someone (transitive) means to ban that someone from a property. Wiktionary provides examples of “trespass” used in this sense as early as 1946. > albeit sa uniquely american one? Never heard this from e.g. Brits Acc…

Very interesting! This one finally answers my question! In summary: (1) It's not an American thing at all. I was wrong. (2) It's not new. I was wrong. (3) It has its roots in authorities charging or threatening to charge someone with the act of trespassing . I learned something today :-) TLDR: "I was trespassed" means "I was charged with the crime of trespassing" (or "threatened with being charged with the crime of t…

Yeah like "I was murdered"

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

buellerbueller wrote: post #304
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #187

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Which is just weird. There is nothing in their holy book like that, they just made it up and now it drives foreign policy.

In whose holy book? Plenty of New Testament Biblical exegesis about the so-called "end times" involves things that could be interpreted as involving modern-day Israel (for example, the Jewish people returning to their homelands). So: Jewish holy book? You're correct. Christian holy book? Answer is dependent on the sect of Christianity you are talking about.

Every Christian picks and chooses the parts of the Bible they want to follow, and then adds their own "interpretation" to it. So you get Christian sects with all sorts of beliefs.

The earliest Christians thought that Jesus would return while they were still alive.

Other people have read all kinds of things into the texts which aren't really there.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by hector124 »

mmooss wrote: post #297
onemoresoop wrote: post #257

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Circumcision is fine I guess. What’s weird is when it’s not done in a proper setting (hospital) but in a ritual and by some person who is not a medically licensed. Another thing that we should all have a problem with is the non consenting age of 0. Ultimately, at least hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.

There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting. > not a medically licensed > hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions. Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed. There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Ju…

> created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in

FWIW I reject this characterization entirely and I think your position is ideologically eroded by you reaching for it.

People are allowed to criticize circumcision as a practice without being antisemitic. The entire reason I'm posting under a throwaway right now is because I expected this kind of accusation to come out.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by NopIdoN »

bentley wrote: post #349
gspr wrote: post #341

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> Because it's a common phrase? I know it's a common phrase (albeit sa uniquely american one? Never heard this from e.g. Brits). I'm asking how it came to be that way when it seemingly makes no sense. > Same as "get carded"? No, because "being carded" (if I understand correctly) is something that does in fact happen to you . In trespassing, you are the one doing the trespassing (to something/someone else). That's why…

Trespassing (intransitive) is different from trespassing someone (transitive). It’s not unusual for a verb to mean something different when used transitively versus when used intransitively. To “trespass” someone (transitive) means to ban that someone from a property. Wiktionary provides examples of “trespass” used in this sense as early as 1946. > albeit sa uniquely american one? Never heard this from e.g. Brits Acc…

> It’s not unusual for a verb to mean something different when used transitively versus when used intransitively.

Can you please give other examples? I can't think of any and I can't let it go

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by efreak »

bentley wrote: post #351
efreak wrote: post #340

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Tresspass is not a reflexive verb. It does not happen to you, rather it's an action you perform. Saying someone got trespassed is like saying you were driven when you go somewhere in your car, or that the door opened itself; you're taking the agency away from the person doing the trespassing and saying that they didn't actually do it themselves, but rather someone else did it/it something that happened to them. This…

> Tresspass is not a reflexive verb. Correct. But it is, sometimes, a transitive verb. One can trespass (go somewhere one is not allowed), and one can be trespassed (be banned from a property). One can even be trespassed against , which has a different meaning altogether (to be wronged by someone else). I think you and the other commenters are confused by the usage of “trespassing someone” because it’s not an everyda…

According to multiple dictionaries online: The intransitive verb _trespass_ means _violate_. The transitive verb tresspass also means violate. If you search for translations/conjugations of _tresspass_, _was trespassed_ is not listed (_was trespassing_ is, referring to the trespasser).

The _noun_ tresspass, on the other hand, can refer to the charge, the act itself, or a case regarding such. Perhaps this is what you're thinking of?

Etymology: the word tresspass is derived from crossing (violating) the law.

> Humans discussing trespassing in a legal context...

Legal definitions may not follow common definitions, but they generally don't contradict them. Legal language tends not to use words that have contradictory meanings (see: inflammable), as it makes it rather difficult to have a clear meaning.

> Cops and other legal personnel

Cops are not legal personnel, they are enforcers. They aren't trained in legal language.

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Dictionaries consulted: Webster's, Collins, American heritage, Cambridge, Cornell Wex, ecfr.gov, just about every dictionary I can find other than OED (requires payment) (most websites just quote one of the first three).

Further information on the use of tresspass in this way can be found at https://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/dictionary/trespassers-wi...

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