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Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by leenixx »

sneak wrote: post #8

It is baffling to me that Apple, ostensibly a hardware company (that happens to be pursuing services revenue the way a crackhead pursues crack), ridiculously flush with cash, doesn’t throw 2 or 3 of their thousands of FTEs on this. The goodwill/brand marketing alone is worth their comp, and it will absolutely move units as well. Linux people LOVE laptops, and Apple makes the best laptops by a parsec. It seems like 10…

Why do you think that Apple doesn’t have developers internally that develops Linux for their own chips?

They obviously have a ton of people developing with linux and even asahi, else they wouldn’t been able to make adjustments in their uefi to shape the support of 3rd party OSes exactly how they wanted.

As apple no longer develop their own servers (OS), they even run some internal ”production” system on Linux, on their own hardware.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by carlosjobim »

sneak wrote: post #8

It is baffling to me that Apple, ostensibly a hardware company (that happens to be pursuing services revenue the way a crackhead pursues crack), ridiculously flush with cash, doesn’t throw 2 or 3 of their thousands of FTEs on this. The goodwill/brand marketing alone is worth their comp, and it will absolutely move units as well. Linux people LOVE laptops, and Apple makes the best laptops by a parsec. It seems like 10…

Are you really baffled as you say?

Every dollar Apple would spend on Linux support, they could instead spend on other improvements which makes their products better for much more important customer groups.

Goodwill among Linux people have very low value, since this is a group who doesn't want to pay for stuff. Such goodwill might even have negative value.

And Apple has aggressively been making new offers for these customer groups. Such as their Creator Studio, which is probably hated among Linux people, but a great offer for normal people who need and want to get real stuff done on the computer.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by carlosjobim »

GTP wrote: post #30
sneak wrote: post #8

It is baffling to me that Apple, ostensibly a hardware company (that happens to be pursuing services revenue the way a crackhead pursues crack), ridiculously flush with cash, doesn’t throw 2 or 3 of their thousands of FTEs on this. The goodwill/brand marketing alone is worth their comp, and it will absolutely move units as well. Linux people LOVE laptops, and Apple makes the best laptops by a parsec. It seems like 10…

My father purchased a new MacBook just in time to avoid the recent price increase. It wasn't because his old one didn't work anymore; it was because Apple wouldn't support it on more recent macOS versions, and some applications he runs daily (like Teams) don't work anymore on the latest supported macOS for that MacBook. Apple is an hardware company, and forcing you to upgrade your hardware gives them revenue. Admitte…

But in this case it was Microsoft who forced him to upgrade, wasn't it?

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by GTP »

carlosjobim wrote: post #43
GTP wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father purchased a new MacBook just in time to avoid the recent price increase. It wasn't because his old one didn't work anymore; it was because Apple wouldn't support it on more recent macOS versions, and some applications he runs daily (like Teams) don't work anymore on the latest supported macOS for that MacBook. Apple is an hardware company, and forcing you to upgrade your hardware gives them revenue. Admitte…

But in this case it was Microsoft who forced him to upgrade, wasn't it?

Depends on the point of view, as it is Apple not supporting that MacBook anymore, and Microsoft could have a point in not supporting macOS versions that Apple doesn't want to support anymore. You could even argue that he forced the update on himself, since the web version still worked. The point remains that somehow without upgrading the hardware some software he uses everyday doesn't work anymore.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by GTP »

armchairhacker wrote: post #39
GTP wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father purchased a new MacBook just in time to avoid the recent price increase. It wasn't because his old one didn't work anymore; it was because Apple wouldn't support it on more recent macOS versions, and some applications he runs daily (like Teams) don't work anymore on the latest supported macOS for that MacBook. Apple is an hardware company, and forcing you to upgrade your hardware gives them revenue. Admitte…

FYI there’s software that can upgrade old Macs to officially unsupported OSs: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

He found out about one of those, but wasn't comfortable using it anyway.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by eqvinox »

> The defacto industry standard for audio ICs is I²S, an I²C-based bus optimised for audio data.

Nit: I²S has nothing to do with I²C.

(Most I²S chips also have an I²C interface since I²S only carries raw audio data, no sideband like volume control or clock configuration. But that's a separate interface and can also be SPI rather than I²C. In fact, SPI is more closely related to I²S than I²C is.)

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by Grombobulous »

leenixx wrote: post #35
simonmales wrote: post #10

Will this forever exist as a Fedora "remix". Or will we find the support in upstream so I can one day run Debian-based distro? I think the last time I used an RPM-based distro was almost 2 decades ago.

The founder of asahi linux famously quit due to how hard it was to upstream patches. It’s not easy to deal with linus’ project.

I can’t see that being a bad thing considering that the kernel is mandatory software in the Linux world. You would want to have high standards for what gets added.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by SG- »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #40
sneak wrote: post #8

It is baffling to me that Apple, ostensibly a hardware company (that happens to be pursuing services revenue the way a crackhead pursues crack), ridiculously flush with cash, doesn’t throw 2 or 3 of their thousands of FTEs on this. The goodwill/brand marketing alone is worth their comp, and it will absolutely move units as well. Linux people LOVE laptops, and Apple makes the best laptops by a parsec. It seems like 10…

see homebrew, they could have made this an official thing but no, they prefer to let people work do their work for them and sleep on their mattress of cash despicable business practices really

actually long ago before homebrew there was MacPorts which Apple actually was part of.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by gjvc »

Grombobulous wrote: post #47
leenixx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The founder of asahi linux famously quit due to how hard it was to upstream patches. It’s not easy to deal with linus’ project.

I can’t see that being a bad thing considering that the kernel is mandatory software in the Linux world. You would want to have high standards for what gets added.

"Disgusting" Linux sched_ext Source Code Restructured Following Complaint By Linus Torvalds - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Sched-Ext-Restructured

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by brewmarche »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #40
sneak wrote: post #8

It is baffling to me that Apple, ostensibly a hardware company (that happens to be pursuing services revenue the way a crackhead pursues crack), ridiculously flush with cash, doesn’t throw 2 or 3 of their thousands of FTEs on this. The goodwill/brand marketing alone is worth their comp, and it will absolutely move units as well. Linux people LOVE laptops, and Apple makes the best laptops by a parsec. It seems like 10…

see homebrew, they could have made this an official thing but no, they prefer to let people work do their work for them and sleep on their mattress of cash despicable business practices really

IIRC Apple actually helped with MacPorts in the beginning
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