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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Matl »

ekidd wrote: post #286
lilytweed wrote: post #279

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This is what I’m thinking, too. OpenAI is gaining a structural advantage purely on the basis of not being considered an enemy of the administration. Anthropic really blew it with Washington.

By "blew it with Washington" you mean "Didn't donate millions to the ballroom."

They blew it by pretending to take some sort of moral high ground while their model was being used in Iran to blow up schools. I say they get what they deserve. I would have a lot more respect for them if they banned Pentagon use of their models outright.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by wongarsu »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #278
solenoid0937 wrote: post #277

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I mean what do you expect when covering memory safety topics with a model that's not allowed to cover security topics? This seems totally expected. It'll be the same when 5.6 is released.

> what do you expect I expect the strong cybersecurity model to help me strengthen the cybersecurity of my project. > not allowed to cover security topics They said it wouldn't be usable for offensive purposes. This is the opposite of that.

Fable is very strong for finding bugs. But you are explicitly not supposed to use it for cybersecurity. Even in the initial rollout I had it refuse and fall back to Opus when implementing a change password function

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jfim »

jiggawatts wrote: post #327
hk__2 wrote: post #281

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No you don't; it's often overkill to use the SOTA models. People want SOTA because it's shiny, but there are a lot of tasks where it's cheaper and more efficient to use other models.

> but there are a lot of tasks where it's cheaper and more efficient to use other models. Sure… but which ones? How can you know ahead of time? I just did a “simple” upgrade project where both me and the AI kept tripping over dead code, subtle typos, and difficult-to-trace live versus dead code. Many times I used “Medium” thinking I got bitten, but not every time, and I couldn’t predict when. So “Extra high” it was,…

For programmatic usage oftentimes SOTA isn't useful.

For example, I have software that summarizes articles and classifies links on webpages to build a synthetic RSS feed, both of which use LLMs, neither of which need a SOTA model.

I'll probably use LLMs to bootstrap a dataset of native ads in articles, and there again, I don't really need a SOTA model.

If it's for more open ended tasks like writing code though, I agree that at this point SOTA models make more sense to use.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by wongarsu »

eru wrote: post #299
ekidd wrote: post #286

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By "blew it with Washington" you mean "Didn't donate millions to the ballroom."

It's interesting that the fate of billions or even trillions of dollar hinges on millions of dollars of donations.

That is what corruption usually looks like

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Matl »

nolok wrote: post #445
Avicebron wrote: post #32

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Any news why?

He's the one who led the choice to refuse working with the gov for surveillance or defense, and it led to that block right after. I have no proof but I assume he believes at least some of what he's preaching (which doesn't mean he won't fold, at the end of the day it's an american company anyway). Brown is probably more of a diplomat, "Sure, but not now" goes a lot further than "No, never", though it has the issue of…

> He's the one who led the choice to refuse working with the gov for surveillance or defense

This is false and just Anthropic being good at PR. He's happy to let it be used for airstrikes on Iran for example, just wants to keep a human in the loop. So the AI will say 'I am extremely sure this building (a girl school) is a military base' and the human will say 'I am being asked to carry out more airstrikes and who am I to question AI' and will bomb a school with Amodei then washing his hands.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by dbbk »

siva7 wrote: post #270
matheusmoreira wrote: post #243

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> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.

Oh come on Opus is perfectly good enough for any coding task. You will barely notice when it drops down from Fable.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cjbgkagh »

dgellow wrote: post #303
cjbgkagh wrote: post #92

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I am on track to commoditize my niche industry, and I hope I can do it before anyone else beats me to it. I'm working at panic speeds.

So, no moat right?

If there is any it’ll be rather small. I'm ideally placed to benefit from the commodification as I was planning on doing it anyway, now I'll just get there a lot faster with the help of AI.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by skeledrew »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #311
skeledrew wrote: post #288

Can't do anything else with GLM 5.2 being widely available and advertised as "Mythos-like", and even Japan dropping a credible model. Actually it would only hurt to keep them in lockdown.

I don't think anyone with a clue seriously thinks of GLM as Mythos like. It's barely Opus-like. The closest comparison is Sonnet 5.

Are you sure about that? But also I don't think anyone in the export control decision making has much of a clue about model capabilities as well. All someone has to do is show them a few articles, like:

- https://vgtimes.com/tech-and-hardware/159377-glm-5.2-open-ch...

- https://www.business-standard.com/technology/artificial-inte...

- https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/china-brings...

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

naturalmovement wrote: post #122
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #73

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That is part of why downvotes exist. They also exist for personal attacks, off topic tangents, posts that don't make sense, trolling, advertisements, AI generated content, and other such things we don't want to see here. But "downvote for disagreement" is a legitimate use. I personally tried to tell someone that it wasn't, and I got corrected by dang.

> But "downvote for disagreement" is a legitimate use. This made me realize it's a waste of one's time to write thoughtful, informative, educational posts only to have them buried and downvoted by man-children. If we go by empirical evidence alone, it's a more effective use of time making Reddit-quality quips.

Depends. Do you want points, or do you want to say what you have to say?

And, there have been times when I have upvoted something I disagreed with, because it made me think.

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