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Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by brookst »

tripzilch wrote: post #616
brookst wrote: post #516

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I miss the days when tech people were copyright skeptics. Remember when everyone was upset with Disney for our perpetual copyright regime and the destruction of public domain? Now many tech people are copyright maximalists and 100% converted to the church of Disney. It’s depressing.

I don't think that's right. The problem is that Anthropic is hoarding it and that's hypocritical. If copyright doesn't count for Anthropic, they should publish Claude. If they wanna hide Claude behind copyrights and/or TOS, they don't get to screw with other people's copyrights and TOS and then profit from it. To call that opinion "copyright maximalist 100% converted to the church of Disney" is, at the very least, hy…

“Anthropic is hypocritical and hoarding data” is 100% compatible with “copyright has gotten out of control and we need less of it”

But pearl clutching over the poor corporations who have their works trained on is much less compatible with a copyright-skeptical view.

And I stand by copyright-maximalism as a rising trend in tech circles. It’s mostly anti-ai, but strange bedfellows and all that.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by brookst »

tripzilch wrote: post #572
brookst wrote: post #514

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Do you think software should be regulated as a utility?

> Do you think software should be regulated as a utility? I do think that AI models that were trained using the biggest intellectual property heist in human history should be a utility for all, yes.

I would 100% support this as long as the same is true for human works. Every artist is trained on thousands of years of art tradition. Copyright wasn’t a thing for the first many millennia of artistic creation, and we still got Bach and Michelangelo.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by nananana9 »

helloplanets wrote: post #218
nananana9 wrote: post #216

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Which is why my vibeslop harness supports `claude -p` as one of its backends.

If that ain't getting steganographically tagged...

With Anthropic I already assume the contents every request I send is stored forever in a table that looks more or less like USER_ID, REQ_IP_ADDRESS, ACCOUNT_CREDIT_CARD_NUMBER, REQ, RESP.

I'm fine with that, chances are that Claude will delete this table behind Anthropic's back and give them an essay about why what they're doing is immoral.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by brookst »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #569
brookst wrote: post #513

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Slipper slope is always a fallacy. It works as a metaphor, and as a rhetorical device, but the fact that it’s possible to construct a gradient from heaven to hell is not proof that each step in the gradient is inevitable. It’s a good way to illustrate a potential bad path. But I can construct a slippery slope from commenting on HN to making bioweapons. That should not be seen as evidence that HN commenters are likely…

That's not correct. Many slippery slope arguments are perfectly valid and sound, namely whenever there is plausible evidence for the existence of the respective slippery slope. It can for instance be based on historical precedents, or on probabilistic or convincing balance of consideration sub-arguments for the slippery slope premise. Whether its a fallacy or not depends a lot on how warranted the slippery slope prem…

Give an example where a slippery slope is itself a legitimate argument and not just a rhetorical technique to oppose A using arguments against B?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by NewsaHackO »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #383
NewsaHackO wrote: post #296

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Half of those don't actually require proxying Claude. Also, Claude has made it apparent time and time again that it does not want people using Claude Code as a "tool" in a workflow. If you want to select a model dynamically based on the prompt difficulty, Anthropic wants people to use the API for this. It was the whole issue Claude had with OpenClaw.

> Also, Claude has made it apparent time and time again that it does not want people using Claude Code as a "tool" in a workflow. Why would Anthropic get to dictate how someone uses a "tool" (that's literally what Claude Code is... a tool in a workflow) They're swimming upstream. Trying to maintain a rapidly shrinking moat and not being very creative about it. Making enemies of your users is often a failing strategy.

I agree, my wording was a bit off. What I meant was a tool call in a harness. Claude Code should itself be the harness.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by backscratches »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #410
orbital-decay wrote: post #409

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Can you substitute PRC/China for Anthropic and try answering your questions?

No company will own superintelligence. Governments will, just like governments own nuclear weapons (developed by companies). So the comparison is with the US, not Anthropic. The US doesn't turn its citizens into a fine red purée for criticizing it. The US doesn't censor most media. It is strictly better for a democratic nation like the US to get to superintelligence before a country that will gladly blend its citizen…

The US has not been a democracy for over a decade at least, and this is common knowledge. I find it hard to believe anyone's ignorance is so brazen. Regardless of the sincerity of your ignorance, the fact that the US is not a democracy undermines your premise.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by TacticalCoder »

They effectively altruistically tried to use steganography.

Now of course stego is hiding that you re hiding information.

So, seen that they were caught, a case could be made that they effectively altruistically failed at using steganography.

P.S: such a headline makes me think I ll cancel my subscriptions and try models like GLM / Deepseek and Kiwi that sound more interesting by the day.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by tkamado »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #415
jameslk wrote: post #277

That's wild. If Anthropic is willing to risk ruining the trust of their userbase for the sake of protecting their moat, it makes me wonder how strong of a moat they have to begin with

No business loses trust for this, this is just standard client side anti tamper/anti RE stuff It's a total non issue unless you're a Chinese distillation lab

or you are working on ai research and anthropic decides it's in your best interest for you to not work on any research (fable 5 in case you forgot)
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