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Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by swiftcoder »

specialist wrote: post #152
dminik wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad it works for you, but I have witnessed several coworkers restart their macbooks (some M1, some M2, possibly M3) and I don't think I've ever seen a reboot shorter than about two minutes. At one instance, I rolled over to a coworker who has just rebooted theirs and had a whole 5+ minute conversation.

FWIW, I experienced the same, and worse, with corporate managed Macs.

Yeah, I have seen this with CrowdStrike-alike management software too. No idea what they put in that shit

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by swiftcoder »

folmar wrote: post #194
swiftcoder wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wat? The apple silicon one on my desk restarts in under 30 seconds. Markedly faster than the Windows PC next to it

I don't know what current Windows 11 does, but my typical Linux Mint is single-digit seconds, and my t490 is 7 years old already. Windows 10 is a bit slower but still single second territory. With more current hardware we are talking about 2 seconds plus whatever BIOS needs, see sibling comments. Maybe you have corporate AV on the Windows PC, or funny drivers?

It does indeed boot to desktop in ~30 seconds (including BIOS time), however it then sits there loading services and tray apps for another 30 seconds before it becomes responsive. TBF, I could probably eliminate a lot of that if I were motivated to strip it down

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by petecooper »

gloosx wrote: post #278

My Macbook needs a restart periodically. Somehow my quite limited disk space (500GB) is getting lower and lower and lower to the point where spotlight will stop working. After restart, I magically get 50GB of disk space back, I'm not sure what is wrong with it and I never took the time to investigate, but I guess it's caches and temp files of all kinds. I also HATE the invention of "open all apps and windows back so…

>Somehow my quite limited disk space (500GB) is getting lower and lower and lower to the point where spotlight will stop working.

I know you didn't ask, but check your Time Machine snapshots in Disk Utility. If you prefer a CLI approach, this should work:

  for d in $(tmutil listlocalsnapshotdates | grep "-"); do sudo tmutil deletelocalsnapshots $d; done

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by msie »

gloosx wrote: post #278

My Macbook needs a restart periodically. Somehow my quite limited disk space (500GB) is getting lower and lower and lower to the point where spotlight will stop working. After restart, I magically get 50GB of disk space back, I'm not sure what is wrong with it and I never took the time to investigate, but I guess it's caches and temp files of all kinds. I also HATE the invention of "open all apps and windows back so…

Yup, "open all apps" seems to open apps I have closed before reboot. Seems like a longstanding bug to me.

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by dspillett »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #231
dv35z wrote: post #107

I have a cron job which restarts my computer every day (Linux Mint Debian edition). I like waking up to a "fresh" computer, and since I know that it will restart every day - this is a "forcing function" to (1) be diligent about saving things that are important, (2) treating browser tabs, random notes, etc as ephemeral, and bookmarking the important stuff. I used to work at an office where we pair-programmed with clie…

Regarding browser tabs you can always just reopen Chrome and press control shift T to get your previous tabs even after a restart

I have mine set to do this automatically, though it sometimes fails, I think after some updates (though I've not looked into it enough to be confident this is the pattern). In these cases reopening the tabs/windows with ctrl+shft+T reopens most, bit not always all of them, and the ones that are lost seem quite arbitrary (it might be something I've had open for days or longer, or something I was looking as a short time before restarting).

PSA: Chrome's session restore function should not be trusted as a way of accurately maintaining state between restarts. I've not noticed the same with Firefox and Brave, though I don't currently use them as much (I'm slowly moving over to using mostly Brave or Firefox, I've not yet decided which…) so maybe they are no more reliable in this area.

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by dspillett »

kylemaxwell wrote: post #19

I remember when Linux users were practically obsessive about uptime and restarting felt like a sign of failure. This was at a time when Windows seemingly needed to restart once or twice a day, at least. These days I like to turn my work Mac off at the end of the week just so I feel a literal sense of closure. It's not really the applications minimizing and running in the background; it's ME.

> This was at a time when Windows seemingly needed to restart once or twice a day, at least.

Ah, the NT days… An IP address has changed, your computer needs to be rebooted for this to take effect. You have moved your chair, your computer needs to be rebooted for this to take effect. You sneezed, your computer needs to be rebooted…

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

AlienRobot wrote: post #88
vidarh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Linux user, it pisses me off whenever I am forced to reboot, and I'm very disappointed if my laptop uptime is measured in less than months. Needing to shut down to me indicates something is broken.

Keeping a PC running when you aren't doing anything with it sounds like a waste of electricity to me. Electricity also wears down electronic components, so I think it also shortens the lifespan of your PC parts.

Reboot wears down electronic components too.

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by dspillett »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #319
throw-nodox-23 wrote: post #295

I.. I cannot restart my computer. Why? I work at a smallish agency as a developer. A few years ago we were acquired by a massive global corporation as part of the typical vertical integration strategy these big boys usually run with. Anyway, that’s all dandy as we otherwise would have perished during Covid. But this parent company, as many others, have some rather stringent security policies when it comes to IT. They…

I have the opposite problem; while zscaler isn't yet forced on us, updates and reboots are. At least system restarts for major updates are announced like a week in advance so there is still some leeway. But it's annoying that my React Native development environment needs to basically be reinstalled every two weeks. (this is all on MacOS btw)

> At least system restarts for major updates are announced like a week in advance so there is still some leeway.

Luxury.

My work machine used to do this, but I've had the current laptop reboot without warning while I'm actively using it (not actively giving input, but reading what is on-screen at the time).

Re: Have you restarted your computer this week?

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

tolciho wrote: post #213
h4kunamata wrote: post #212

My Lenovo Legion gaming laptop running Linux Mint Cinnamon takes ~10s to boot. I hardly ever leave it on, I mean why?? It is silly to use a cron job to do something that only takes 2s for a human to do. My homelab Debian Netinst servers tho, run non-stop for months or even years without reboot. Half century ago Linux had a bug where servers had to be rebooted after X hours, that is no longer an issue. Windows however…

Months to years without a reboot sounds like a pretty big gamble as to whether the hardware still boots, or not. More frequent reboots tend to catch "the hardware has soured" (and how would you know?) issues sooner, like maybe the BIOS decides to come up with the clock set four years into the future and then time sync can fail and then everything fails. The prior example was strictly hypothetical, of course no real s…

My old notebook periodically failed to boot, so I kept it running to not see it fail to boot.
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