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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by tskj »

llama052 wrote: post #247
echelon wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the time it took you to type that, your hourly market comp went down another basis point. I am appalled none of this is clicking with you anti-AI folks. This is all so exciting -- alarming even! --, and software careers are never going to be the same. I don't know how you just metaphorically stand there and act like nothing at all is happening. We've never seen anything like this in our entire lives. Some of you a…

Did you use an LLM to write this for you? How odd. For all of you people who think these LLM models are “earth shattering” how the hell do you reconcile that it’s a net positive for anyone but those who want to consolidate knowledge and power. We are really looking at idiocracy in the making.

I guess I'll chime in as someone who thinks LLMs will be earth shattering, and specifically don't think it's a net positive for anyone but those whose power will be consolidated.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sajithdilshan »

reacharavindh wrote: post #332
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

A lot of bitter europeans would down vote this comment, but saying Murica has pushed you towards China is hypocrisy is at its finest. Your incompetent EU politicians are the ones that has failed you by outsourcing every aspect of sovereignty to the rest of the world instead of self-reliance. You have nobody to blame but yourselves. In one year you'll be blaming China for abandoning the EU when they starts controlling their frontier models.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by plufz »

mike_hearn wrote: post #394
vintagedave wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mistral is just not competitive enough Does anyone know why? I was really excited when they emerged, but their models and targets don't seem to be quite in the same market.

Lack of capital and (probably) lack of willingness to mass distill Anthropic and OpenAI.

What would happen if they mass distilled one of the really large local models like GLM 700b or deepseek 1.6t?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sajithdilshan »

vintagedave wrote: post #353
reacharavindh wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

> Mistral is just not competitive enough Does anyone know why? I was really excited when they emerged, but their models and targets don't seem to be quite in the same market.

Most probably lack of capital and talent. At the end of the day they have to compete with other giants for the chips to train the models.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by grim_io »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #402
reacharavindh wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

A lot of bitter europeans would down vote this comment, but saying Murica has pushed you towards China is hypocrisy is at its finest. Your incompetent EU politicians are the ones that has failed you by outsourcing every aspect of sovereignty to the rest of the world instead of self-reliance. You have nobody to blame but yourselves. In one year you'll be blaming China for abandoning the EU when they starts controlling…

Maybe we will in a year, but then we'll just complain about China copying protectionism and censorship from the USA.

If that's a comfortable position for you, all good.

We held the US in higher regards, that's all.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by grim_io »

plufz wrote: post #403
mike_hearn wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of capital and (probably) lack of willingness to mass distill Anthropic and OpenAI.

What would happen if they mass distilled one of the really large local models like GLM 700b or deepseek 1.6t?

At that point you might as well just host them yourself.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by swingboy »

sv123 wrote: post #137
softwaredoug wrote: post #123

The real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan. In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc. Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.

Just wait till Anthropic and OpenAI are public, the admin is going to be manipulating the shit out of those with model approvals and denials.

“Anthropic wants to MAKE A DEAL!”

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sajithdilshan »

grim_io wrote: post #405
sajithdilshan wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of bitter europeans would down vote this comment, but saying Murica has pushed you towards China is hypocrisy is at its finest. Your incompetent EU politicians are the ones that has failed you by outsourcing every aspect of sovereignty to the rest of the world instead of self-reliance. You have nobody to blame but yourselves. In one year you'll be blaming China for abandoning the EU when they starts controlling…

Maybe we will in a year, but then we'll just complain about China copying protectionism and censorship from the USA. If that's a comfortable position for you, all good. We held the US in higher regards, that's all.

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by ChrisRR »

bpodgursky wrote: post #119
ryandrake wrote: post #112

"Taken Steps" Looks like Anthropic paid the Danegeld. Now they'll never get rid of the Dane.

I mean, they did eventually get rid of the Danes.

No they didn't. The vikings became part of the population

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by maxdo »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

As much as i hate current admin, slowing down advanced model until figure out security impact is a good thing. It's called national interest over commercial one. You didnt loose anything. US customers except a few selected one lost access the same one as EU customers. In a few weeks advanced model got released.

So if you decided to bring money to communists you can put whatever rational but not this. Do so , and you will loose your last competitive edge in this domain. ASML. After that EU will become a completely agricultural-only region, since edge is lost almost everywhere else.

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