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Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by tkgally »

stavros wrote: post #50
tkgally wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for reference, here is the metaprompt I first gave to Opus: “I want to ask Claude Code to write a browser-based synthesizer for me. Please prepare a prompt for it that I can give to it for it to write the synthesizer. The synthesizer should automatically create interesting polyphonic music in which the various voices play off against each other in both harmony and contrast. The controls will affect the tone, rhy…

You'd probably get better results giving the metaprompt to Fable. Information doesn't magically get created, running something through a dumb model to give to a smart model gets worse results than if you just give the smart model the prompt directly.

That occurred to me, too, when I posted that metaprompt above. But that was only the second or third prompt I gave to Fable during the couple of days I had access to it, and I used the metaprompting strategy that had worked well with earlier models. If and when I get access to Fable again, I will try giving it a similar short prompt directly.

I should mention that Fable also did an impressive job on a couple of major project-redesign tasks I gave it. Those aren't things I can share here, though.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by reverius42 »

stavros wrote: post #50
tkgally wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for reference, here is the metaprompt I first gave to Opus: “I want to ask Claude Code to write a browser-based synthesizer for me. Please prepare a prompt for it that I can give to it for it to write the synthesizer. The synthesizer should automatically create interesting polyphonic music in which the various voices play off against each other in both harmony and contrast. The controls will affect the tone, rhy…

You'd probably get better results giving the metaprompt to Fable. Information doesn't magically get created, running something through a dumb model to give to a smart model gets worse results than if you just give the smart model the prompt directly.

Amazing how quickly things are moving that you can call Opus a "dumb model"!

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by [deleted] »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #19
scubbo wrote: post #10

> steady stream of promotions until they cap out at L5 Am I missing a joke? L5 is just a single promotion away from hiring-out-of-college, at least for the FAANG that I was at.

Only Amazon starts new grads at L4, the rest starts them as L3 so L5 would be senior. Not that 2 promotions is a "steady stream"...

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Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by stavros »

reverius42 wrote: post #52
stavros wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd probably get better results giving the metaprompt to Fable. Information doesn't magically get created, running something through a dumb model to give to a smart model gets worse results than if you just give the smart model the prompt directly.

Amazing how quickly things are moving that you can call Opus a "dumb model"!

That is actually true and amazing to think about. It was mostly a figure of speech, but also kind of true when compared to Fable?

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by stavros »

tkgally wrote: post #51
stavros wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd probably get better results giving the metaprompt to Fable. Information doesn't magically get created, running something through a dumb model to give to a smart model gets worse results than if you just give the smart model the prompt directly.

That occurred to me, too, when I posted that metaprompt above. But that was only the second or third prompt I gave to Fable during the couple of days I had access to it, and I used the metaprompting strategy that had worked well with earlier models. If and when I get access to Fable again, I will try giving it a similar short prompt directly. I should mention that Fable also did an impressive job on a couple of major…

The general way I think about it is that it's OK (and usually encouraged) to have a smarter model prompt a dumber model, but never the other way around.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by reverius42 »

stavros wrote: post #54
reverius42 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing how quickly things are moving that you can call Opus a "dumb model"!

That is actually true and amazing to think about. It was mostly a figure of speech, but also kind of true when compared to Fable?

So, how many months from now before we start calling Fable a "dumb model"? I give it maybe 6?

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by stavros »

reverius42 wrote: post #56
stavros wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is actually true and amazing to think about. It was mostly a figure of speech, but also kind of true when compared to Fable?

So, how many months from now before we start calling Fable a "dumb model"? I give it maybe 6?

Well, if Mythos gets rolled out generally, zero!

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by RugnirViking »

arcticbull wrote: post #40
matheusmoreira wrote: post #36

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That's great news. I was going to cancel my subscription because of the export restrictions.

Also, note, everyone assumed it was going to be limited to citizens, but that's not what the government said. They put it under ITAR/EAR's US person definition which includes citizens, permanent residents, refugees and asylees. Basically only visa holders in the US were banned, and of course, people in foreign countries. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-15/part-772/section-772.1...

contrary to some people's intuitions, most people have never lived in or been to the united states.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by drcongo »

MisterKent wrote: post #5

That was my experience with Fable as well. Pulled my extremely complex project that I could squint and see was possible, but actually put mathematical concreteness to things in a way I could only intuit. On the flip side, visualizers have always fascinated me. I love this one, but one build off I've always wanted to see: analyze the entire file a priori, and then generate the visuals. Sort of like a normalization pas…

I've been planning exactly what you describe in that second paragraph for creating videos for the music I make. It's a lot easier than doing it realtime, and because I make the music, I'm planning on doing it multi-track so I can put individual stems in.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by someonebaggy »

anamexis wrote: post #9
bentobean wrote: post #4

> As we all know, the foundation of Western diatonic music theory is ¹²√2, the ratio between the frequencies of successive semitones. Nods knowingly. Yes, of course. I definitely know this.

In a nutshell: An octave (for example from a C to the next C) is a doubling in frequency. In the Western diatonic system, there are 12 notes per octave. (C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B). Notes are "evenly spaced" within the octave - every note has the same ratio between its frequency and the frequency of the next note. Hence, that ratio is ¹²√2

This is the equal-temperament tuning, which is used a lot now because it's simple and consistent. Other tunings were common in the past, where they'd set notes to simple fractions of other notes like 3/2 of the note 5 below, idk the actual numbers they used. 3/2 isn't any power of the 12th root of 2 so nothing in this new system is actually as harmonic as it should be, but nothing is particularly dissonant either and the system is simple.
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