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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by TylerE »

nmfisher wrote: post #196
echelon wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speed.

From my brief window of Fable usage, speed wasn't its strong point at all. For actually building software, I'm starting to suspect a human with a dumber (but faster) model is going to get the job done quicker than Fable (and possibly even cheaper). Bug-finding and vulnerability detection is a different story.

My conclusion was the exact opposite. Maybe each individual response was slower, but it took so many fewer round trips to get what I wanted wanted. I had a project fable was progressing steadily and correctly on. Opus on the same project keeps handing me garbage it insists is working and meets the stated requirements, but isn’t and doesn’t.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by PeterStuer »

jiggawatts wrote: post #327
hk__2 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you don't; it's often overkill to use the SOTA models. People want SOTA because it's shiny, but there are a lot of tasks where it's cheaper and more efficient to use other models.

> but there are a lot of tasks where it's cheaper and more efficient to use other models. Sure… but which ones? How can you know ahead of time? I just did a “simple” upgrade project where both me and the AI kept tripping over dead code, subtle typos, and difficult-to-trace live versus dead code. Many times I used “Medium” thinking I got bitten, but not every time, and I couldn’t predict when. So “Extra high” it was,…

In my experience: anything of open-ended complexity (software development, research, product design, ...) benefits from wathever the frontier can offer. 95% of Line of Business automation and workflows can be handled by even a reasonably small open weights generalist model flanked by a few even smaller specialized models. Yes, designing such a setup takes more knowledge and work dan just chucking it all over the api with prompts. But that is how I can run a system here for $1.000 month. As an added bonus, no model server can shut me down at the drop of a hat.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by vintagedave »

reacharavindh wrote: post #332
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

All this will fly until a competitor from outside the US releases a “freedom” model that is even 90% as capable as Fable was without its shackles. But, as a frustrated EU resident lamenting a lack of European option(Mistral is just not competitive enough), I will spread my money towards the Chinese models as well. Thank you Murica! You achieved your soft power by pushing us towards the Chinese :-) This protectionism…

> Mistral is just not competitive enough

Does anyone know why? I was really excited when they emerged, but their models and targets don't seem to be quite in the same market.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by cassianoleal »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #308
mlyle wrote: post #266

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Opinions vary, but: A couple: usually 2, though not always A few: 3, 4, 5 Several: 4, 5, 6, or 7.

> A couple: usually 2, though not always I had to explain this to my German friend. In my understanding this isn't about the actual number, it's about the certainty. If it's absolutely and definitely two, then I say two. If I'm uncertain but it's probably two, or if a non-integer, somewhere around two, then I say couple. And few is more likely to be 3 than 5, because 5 is getting close to a "half-dozen or so", or (as…

In the UK, as far as I can tell, a couple are 2. Not around 2. Not maybe 3 or 4. Always 2.

3 or 4 would likely be a few, or some. 1 is, well, one.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by davidhs »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #243
bluepeter wrote: post #202

Fable 5 apparently can't be used for coding? (This is from Anthropic's announcement.) > After a series of productive conversations with the US government, we're redeploying the model with a new set of classifiers to target and block more cybersecurity tasks. In the near term, some routine tasks like coding and debugging will fall back to Opus 4.8. Edit: the above was from their tweet announcement at https://x.com/Ant…

> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

> Looks like it's going to be a thoroughly frustrating experience, even worse than initial rollout.

Honestly, why bother with it? They are effectively just releasing the model in-name, but we just get Opus 4.8.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by c0rruptbytes »

jb_briant wrote: post #328

I struggle to imagine where anthropic is going with sub users... Fable 5 might not be accessible for sub in the future despite their "best effort". And 5.6-sol is as expensive as 5.5, so highly probable to be kept in sub. So what's the plan? Hoping people stay on ClaudeCode because Sonnet 5 while Codex offers 5.6-sol to subsription peasants? Seems risky

OpenAI prioritized compute much much earlier on, so they’re probably just more able to provide the model while Anthropic seems to be busting out the seams

Sonnet 5 today was incredibly slow for example

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Post by PeterStuer »

trvz wrote: post #170
rafram wrote: post #167

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4.6 was released at the beginning of February, so if the Chinese models only "tickle its tail," that means they're >5 months behind.

> The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now

I hear that often, but what does that even mean? I am a great proponent of open weights models. I do believe they are the only reason we have not stagnated into a collusion of halting (public) model releases.

But exactly which point in time is z.ai compared to claude.ai? Consistently bring "6 months behind" in an exponentially acellerating evolution means the gap is growing exponentially wider, not constant.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by midasz »

lelanthran wrote: post #329
Sammi wrote: post #45

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I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is.

> I'm a small software business owner in Europe. I have to assume my competition is willing to pay for any business advantage they can get. And so I also have to pay for the SOTA model, whatever it is. If you make money from doing anything like "produce software with as little human involvement as possible", then sure, you need SOTA models. In that case, though, the value you add is very little and you probably don't…

You also don't really need LLM's, we still have software engineers too. Everyone is focusing so heavily on the speed gain producing code, but in my experience clients of established products aren't really waiting for massive changes and gigantic features to be added. We aren't taking the time to think things through anymore.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jitl »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #271
yeeetz wrote: post #263

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they might as well not released it at all, what's the point of this theater and artificial scarcity

No idea. But I will switch to OpenAI if they release their Sol model on a subscription. And if neither of them do, I will switch to GLM 5.2.

i don’t think 5.6 will be as good as fable. their benchmark graphs say so, maybe they’ll take some limiters off next week or something now that being Fable tier isn’t scary anymore.
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