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Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by actionfromafar »

krackers wrote: post #18
matheusmoreira wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable was quite relentless, it was fun watching it work. I described my lisp interpreter project's short term plans and long term roadmap, Fable thought for like 20 minutes then just told me it was all "inevitable" and started working on the stuff. Ever since then I started to picture Fable as some kind of Terminator. Left me that code and a massive code review that unfortunately didn't contain any of the I/O and mem…

> thought for like 20 minutes then just told me it was all "inevitable" I have in mind an image of ASI as something that's able to seamlessly work across time as if it was weaving cloth. Reasoning about not just first or second order effects, but able to richly play with the nature of causality itself. In the limit, it effects change far into the distant future simply by making only the most minute change in the pres…

Predicting the future by making it.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by monk_grilla »

That generated video was eye opening for me. I've been using Opus in Claude Code for studying and at work, but it never occurred to me to use 3b1b's excellent python library for generating maths visualisations to let it generate such good graphical demonstrations.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by tkgally »

My Fable example is not nearly as cool but still (to me) impressive.

Last year, I would occasionally test the latest models by vibe-coding in-browser music generators using only HTML, CSS, and JS. Here’s one made in July by Gemini:

https://gally.net/temp/20250701synthesizer-gemini2/index.htm...

And one made in September by Claude:

https://gally.net/temp/20250917rhythmdrone/index.html

With Fable, I was able to one-shot something much more sophisticated:

https://gally.net/temp/20260610-fable-synthesizer/index.html

It’s still a long way from creating music I would want to listen to, though.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by neynt »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #8

Kinda interesting how its just like a FFT chart in a circle but perhaps the author is not aware that is the case. Would be curious to know what things were "implmentation details" for the fancy AI and what wasn't. I could be wrong but milkdrop already would do light FFT analysis for effects right?

I may have been overselling the AI's initiative in the article -- it still required a fair bit of steering. I put most of the prompts involved here: https://saltblock.neynt.ca/waveloop-prompts.md

Wrapping FFT in a log2(freq) % 1 spiral was part of the human direction :)

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by AIorNot »

That Fable Generated video is something else... wow I love it.. along with the app

Anyone who says LLMs can't reproduce intelligence I mean really? can you make this? its not just a talking database guys or a stochastic parrot...

too bad Fable was nerfed/gatekept by the Trump corruption selection committee..but the technology will not be silenced.. we just need to get humans ready for this capabilities. the jury is out on the future of that.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Jblx2 wrote: post #28
matheusmoreira wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable was quite relentless, it was fun watching it work. I described my lisp interpreter project's short term plans and long term roadmap, Fable thought for like 20 minutes then just told me it was all "inevitable" and started working on the stuff. Ever since then I started to picture Fable as some kind of Terminator. Left me that code and a massive code review that unfortunately didn't contain any of the I/O and mem…

>I get a little sad when I read it. Not a US citizen so I'm not sure I'll ever get to use a state of the art model again. ...or tomorrow: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48740771

That's great news. I was going to cancel my subscription because of the export restrictions.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by brianberns »

bentobean wrote: post #4

> As we all know, the foundation of Western diatonic music theory is ¹²√2, the ratio between the frequencies of successive semitones. Nods knowingly. Yes, of course. I definitely know this.

I had the same lack, so I walked myself through it from the very start: https://brianberns.github.io/01-SineWaves.html

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by nl »

> This model doesn't shy away from drawing upon all its knowledge. It casually refers to alpha premultiplication and fundamental frequencies in the same breath. It is fond of acronyms.

Yes - I had Fable tackle some long-standing bugs in some code I had and I quickly lost track of what it was talking about and had to ask a lot of clarifying questions.

It killed my bugs like they were nothing though. Opus and even GPT5.5 had churned on these same things for ages, but even with my manual help we made no progress.

It felt like they weren't the slightest bit challenging for Fable. So glad to see it back!

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by nl »

tkgally wrote: post #33

My Fable example is not nearly as cool but still (to me) impressive. Last year, I would occasionally test the latest models by vibe-coding in-browser music generators using only HTML, CSS, and JS. Here’s one made in July by Gemini: https://gally.net/temp/20250701synthesizer-gemini2/index.htm... And one made in September by Claude: https://gally.net/temp/20250917rhythmdrone/index.html With Fable, I was able to one-sho…

I love these kind of things - we forget so quickly how much these have improved.

Re: Waveloop: What Fable left me

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Post by arcticbull »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #36
Jblx2 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I get a little sad when I read it. Not a US citizen so I'm not sure I'll ever get to use a state of the art model again. ...or tomorrow: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48740771

That's great news. I was going to cancel my subscription because of the export restrictions.

Also, note, everyone assumed it was going to be limited to citizens, but that's not what the government said. They put it under ITAR/EAR's US person definition which includes citizens, permanent residents, refugees and asylees. Basically only visa holders in the US were banned, and of course, people in foreign countries.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-15/part-772/section-772.1...

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