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Re: Amazon seller reveals glimpse of shadow bribery market

#61

I tend to find ebay less shady than Amazon these days, which is a bit disapointing really.

AliExpress is less shady. If only they had customer service and a decent UI.

If only they would sort out their language / shipping country / currency model and make it so I can actually select what I want rather than their wrong assumption.

(And that's me having that problem in English / England / GBP, not a weird combination.)

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#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AliExpress is less shady. If only they had customer service and a decent UI.

I recently dealt with a merchant in Aliexpress who was intentionally selling things well below market price, not to build their storefront reputation, but to collect sales and then ask the customer to cancel. I forced them to cancel the order, which harms their rep. Literally every unmanaged, user content controlled platform devolves into the basest scams, thuggery, and unpleasantness. This is why we can’t have nice…

It’s as if all the people working at physical stores, who we decided were pointless waste of money, actually had some function.

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#63

I tend to find ebay less shady than Amazon these days, which is a bit disapointing really.

I have ordered items on eBay just for the seller to order it on Amazon and send it to me that way. Just happened to me this week with club bells/Indian clubs.

IIRC that's against eBay's rules. But people still do it when the spread is enough to make it worth the risk.

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post #4

Amazon, Walmart, Etsy... my kingdom for a marketplace that doesn't become just a dumping ground for shady fly-by-night dropshippers.

This has pushed me to high levels of brand loyalty with direct ordering from the brands I like and trust, plus a lot of buying used… also mostly products from a handful of trusted brands (this is largely clothes, nearly all of which I buy used except socks, underwear, and most sweaters)

Thermoworks (which makes excellent thermometers) no longer sells on Amazon b/c there were too many counterfeits/people selling broken items etc.

You can now only order from their website which I am more than happy to do as their customer service is excellent.

https://www.thermoworks.com

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#65

People. Stop making '20 calls' about this sort of thing. If you get ripped off by a corporation, you call once. Take notes. Maybe call twice. At most, three times. Show you made a decent attempt. If you're in a one-party consent state, record it. Then call your lawyer , who will send a demand letter to Amazon legal. If that doesn't get an answer, you go to court. If you can't work something out, you go to court. The…

> The civil court system exists for a reason. Start using it.

Yeah, if you are a private customer that might work out going to small claims court against a large company.

But if you are a commercial vendor? Tough luck, you probably signed some mandatory arbitration clause in your terms, maybe even a non-disparagement clause. Whoops. Arbitration can cost shitloads of money upfront or expose you to the risk of having to pay the counterparty's lawyers if you lose the arbitration, no referral to the regular court system possible. And even going to the press to complain is a risky move.

There's a lot of things I'd be willing to jump into. But I'd never ever want to be in a commercial relationship with Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Meta or any of the other tech giants (or Walmart, they are just as infamous for squeezing suppliers), simply because they have all the cards and I have none. They decide to kick me out, my existence is gone.

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#66

I tend to find ebay less shady than Amazon these days, which is a bit disapointing really.

EBay is the worst website someone can use for shopping…they just got it all wrong. Seems lead by people who don’t use it

I found Ryan cohens account

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post #31

> leave a product review in exchange for a free bed scrunchie accessory I wonder what the exact language was. If it included something like “5 star review” on that card, then the guy deserves getting kicked out from Amazon and getting his business shut down (it’s federally illegal to do that per ftc regulation). If it was just very neutral language asking for reviews, then that sucks, and hope he can get it resolved…

In 2022 I got physical mail about leaving a review for something I bought from Amazon (sold by company X, shipped by Amazon) in exchange for Amazon Gift Card. It contained the name of the product I bought. When I tried to report it to Amazon: * there was no obvious way to do it. Closest thing was by reporting issue on product. * there was no way to show the customer service agent a picture of the mail. Chat did not s…

Yep -- I've gotten multiple postcards in the mail and/or product box after ordering something telling me I'd get ~$5-$10 if I left a 5 star review. They thoughtfully included exact screenshots of how to submit the review.

I also went looking for a way to report it. Eventually opened up a chat, didn't really get anywhere.

(I also didn't appreciate getting junk mail for ordering something).

Re: Amazon seller reveals glimpse of shadow bribery market

#68

I tend to find ebay less shady than Amazon these days, which is a bit disapointing really.

eBay is very good for science-related goods, in my experience. Last week, I bought ~$12K of used gear for a project. All items work, would have cost ~2.5x that from the usual used instrument vendors, about 6x new.

Re: Amazon seller reveals glimpse of shadow bribery market

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AliExpress is less shady. If only they had customer service and a decent UI.

I recently dealt with a merchant in Aliexpress who was intentionally selling things well below market price, not to build their storefront reputation, but to collect sales and then ask the customer to cancel. I forced them to cancel the order, which harms their rep. Literally every unmanaged, user content controlled platform devolves into the basest scams, thuggery, and unpleasantness. This is why we can’t have nice…

YMMV a lot with Aliexpress. I bought a $700 chiller that arrived without a small attachment fitting for the return inlet line. I complained, received another chiller (with the fitting) free. Go figure.

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post #2

Still use Amazon for certain items because of fast delivery but the site is a complete mess. At some point Amazon leadership failed to understand that there’s a lot more to a good customer experience than “selection size.” If I search for X I’d vastly prefer a few simple options that aren’t counterfeit or junk vs here’s 150 variants of your thing, most of which are junk but hey look at the size of our selection!

google.com "KEYWORD reddit". It's been the only way for me for the last several years, but mostly for inexpensive items (20-100 USD). In the States it's more frictionless to do Amazon returns then through Temu or AliX.
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