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Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by solenoid0937 »

Biganon wrote: post #379
solenoid0937 wrote: post #342

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HN hysteria is ridiculous. All of this is totally understandable if you take the perspective that these people genuinely believe they're building superintelligence. The overwhelming majority of the AI safety crowd - which has poured more of their life and time into thinking about these problems than the average HN armchair commentator ever would - understands that: - you want to prevent China from getting to superint…

> HN hysteria is ridiculous. > this is a race that will result in the extinction of humanity if you fail in these goals

Ah yes, the very hysterical take that superintelligence must be carefully developed, or it likely ends badly for all of us.

How irrational and hysterical of me!

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by OkWing99 »

simonduchastel wrote: post #322
loufe wrote: post #203

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Genuine question though, why would I care about this if I'm paying for a subscription and adhering to TOS. I'm very skeptical about their privacy policy, business practices, and so on, but am curious what the negative about this is. Seems like it would work to my favour as a customer pushing back any date of the cutting of subsidies. That said, these fraudulent proxies are helping Chinese labs keep up, which might be…

One negative is that Claude Code is pretty buggy, and Anthropic makes frequent changes that cause unexpected regressions [0]. With the harness now doing weird stuff with proxies, I'd be worried of them inadvertently introducing bugs which affect people using the feature legitimately. [0] A recent example: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/april-23-postmortem

Maybe they should try running Mythos to check Claude Code, given their marketing with it's superior performance.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by gunapologist99 »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #296
drdexebtjl wrote: post #250

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If you want to proxy Claude for a legitimate reason, you’ll have potentially nerfed responses. edit: Legitimate reasons include: - analyzing what Claude Code is sending to Anthropic to verify its not exfiltrating data; - selecting a model dynamically based on prompt difficulty, or enforcing a particular model; - switching between multiple Anthropic accounts based on the project; - filtering out credentials, PII and c…

Half of those don't actually require proxying Claude. Also, Claude has made it apparent time and time again that it does not want people using Claude Code as a "tool" in a workflow. If you want to select a model dynamically based on the prompt difficulty, Anthropic wants people to use the API for this. It was the whole issue Claude had with OpenClaw.

> Also, Claude has made it apparent time and time again that it does not want people using Claude Code as a "tool" in a workflow.

Why would Anthropic get to dictate how someone uses a "tool" (that's literally what Claude Code is... a tool in a workflow)

They're swimming upstream. Trying to maintain a rapidly shrinking moat and not being very creative about it. Making enemies of your users is often a failing strategy.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by civet_java »

edude03 wrote: post #371
civet_java wrote: post #225

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Anthopic choosing to delay their models' invevitable distillation by competitors is their prerogative. That they choose to implement it by fingerprinting my access patterns without first disclosing is where they shit the bed. It isn't "sneaky" it's straight up sneaky (and dishonest and unscrupulous while we're at it). That this particular instance is harmless doesn't give me much comfort. Who's to say they aren't har…

I'm using "sneaky" here to refer to anything that's not very obviously stated but anyway > That their actions make sense for their business isn't any reason for people to accept their deceitful, customer-hostile decisions. While I agree it's a dangerous precedence to set, I think this is a "vote with your wallet" sort of situation. They shouldn't do it, but from their POV this is what they need to do to offer the pro…

Thanks for the considered response.

> I think this is a "vote with your wallet" sort of situation.

I agree a 100%.

> is the value proposition good enough that people will put up with it? As of today, the answer is unfortunately yes

I don't fully agree with you here and I think the jury is still out on that.

In any case, I look forward to seeing international markets responding to the current situation.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by usef- »

danlitt wrote: post #334
next_xibalba wrote: post #302

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People keep throwing this idea around haphazardly, but U.S. courts have pretty consistently decided that training on copyrighted works falls under fair use. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it "illegal".

You have to admit that "downloading every book ever written for free from a repository of books that is itself illegal to compile and to run, in order to write a text generation tool" being legal is at least unintuitive, to put it mildly.

It wasnt, that's why they paid a >billion dollar settlement over it, and now license/purchase them. I don't know if the people distilling are licensing those books/etc today, though

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by Biganon »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #381
Biganon wrote: post #379

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> HN hysteria is ridiculous. > this is a race that will result in the extinction of humanity if you fail in these goals

Ah yes, the very hysterical take that superintelligence must be carefully developed, or it likely ends badly for all of us. How irrational and hysterical of me!

How does it lead to the end of humanity if China reaches it first? You really think the US is more trustworthy?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by [deleted] »

arikrahman wrote: post #202
overgard wrote: post #182

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Well considering how Claude is vibe coded, I can't say I'm really surprised by sloppiness at all. I've been moving more towards Codex and OpenCode not because the the anthropic models are bad, but because Claude seems to break something new and annoying every day.

Likewise, Reasonix harness for Deepseek gets me better performance for practically free, hitting the cache. And this is with an unsubsidized American provider.

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Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by solenoid0937 »

Biganon wrote: post #387
solenoid0937 wrote: post #381

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Ah yes, the very hysterical take that superintelligence must be carefully developed, or it likely ends badly for all of us. How irrational and hysterical of me!

How does it lead to the end of humanity if China reaches it first? You really think the US is more trustworthy?

What are the PRC's values?

How are individual freedoms in China?

What happens if you criticize the government as a Chinese citizen?

Is it a good thing if a government that turns its citizens into red pulp for criticism, or disappears them in the middle of the night, or bans access to most media, is the first to a godlike superintelligence that gives them de-facto control of (and impose their values upon) the whole world?

Or is it better if democratic nations get there first?

If the latter, which democratic nations are best positioned to get to superintelligence before China?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Post by scott01 »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #381
Biganon wrote: post #379

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> HN hysteria is ridiculous. > this is a race that will result in the extinction of humanity if you fail in these goals

Ah yes, the very hysterical take that superintelligence must be carefully developed, or it likely ends badly for all of us. How irrational and hysterical of me!

Projection. Your account posts mostly negative or passive aggressive comments.
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