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Re: Why narcissistic leaders resist remote work

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Post by tencentshill »

krrishd wrote: post #11

Even if one were to grant the conclusion — leaders resist remote work to preserve their "power and status" — to what extent is the magnitude and success of a company (or for that matter, any serious enterprise) a direct function of its leader's ability to: - Exercise authority / power - Maintain status within the hierarchy As in - who wants to work for a leader who is neither powerful nor high-status within their own…

Good managers are there to clear obstacles for good workers to do their best work. Unfortunately, not all workers are on board/motivated enough to do their best. It's less of an issue in software, because essentially everyone is well-compensated and comfortable.

Re: Why narcissistic leaders resist remote work

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Post by forshaper »

jdw64 wrote: post #14
forshaper wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At scale, a clear identity is needed to get people to give you what it takes to pay the bills. An identity that is continuously refined becomes clearer. The act of refinement of the identity may then create an attachment to the identity, like an IKEA effect. Any protections of the identity also serve to make the identity clearer to others.

It feels like identity and personal branding. The Western perspective and the Eastern perspective definitely seem different.

Yeah I think the split into individual, then sub-individual identity is only happening much more recently in the East. And extended family/org/clan first identities still reign there, outside out of very educated & urban bubbles.

Re: Why narcissistic leaders resist remote work

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Post by RiverCrochet »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #20

All of my jobs until the last one were in-person, in-office, and toward the end of my schooling, some college courses were 100% remote/online, so I've developed a lot of thoughts. At this point I would oppose remote jobs and opt for the in-person ones. Though my remote job was fantastic in terms of flexibility and the comfort of my own home, much was lacking. It is far, far easier to collaborate with humans and rally…

> there is nothing wrong with those emotional ties

This is a US centric viewpoint, and also a non-leadership viewpoint.

It may not be wrong to experience emotional attachment to an employer, but it's unwise in my opinion if it can all be gone instantly.

Because companies exist to make money, and they will let you go if they can't afford you, want to avoid serious trouble, or think they'll make more money doing something else, with little or no notice. They'll lay off thousands at the drop of an email. You might get some severance, and that takes care of you for a while, but it's better if you take it into your own hands and jump ship every few years. Ultimately you have to be responsible for yourself and your own well-being.

> but honestly it stopped feeling like "a job" or "work" but just one of those things I was doing online that happened to increase my bank balance

This sentence right here makes me think you don't need to work for survival, and that's not the position the majority of people on the planet are in. I'd love to look at my job as something that merely increases my bank balance and not something essential to keep me insured, housed and fed.

Re: Why narcissistic leaders resist remote work

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Post by throwitaway222 »

9x39 wrote: post #10
throwitaway222 wrote: post #5

I get the attempt to make these arguments, but on the face and common sense of it, remote work promotes narcissistic behavior far more than some CEO does. The CEO wants the company to succeed.

I wasn't able to find anything to either support or refute what you said. On one hand, there's a poll that said 58% of respondents admit to ghostwork: https://www.resume-now.com/job-resources/careers/ghostworkin... But how many people sit at a desk or office idly to keep up appearances? That's so common its a trope. Gallup has some interesting polls, they highlight manager engagement as the #1 link to employee engage…

Generally, people that expect remote work don't care at all about people that can't have remote work. Instead why don't people that demand remote work, demand that the factory work also be moved to people's homes?

Larry normally goes into the factory to melt tires and mold new ones. The company can buy him a rubber melter and a mold press and install it at his house. Of course this makes no sense for a billion reasons.

No, instead we'll just keep insisting/pretending that the work needed to be done in the world can be done from a laptop computer and that 99% of the workforce deserves 200k+ salaries, but not Larry.

And as for the fate of Larry and many others like him - well fuck him, he has to go to work, I want my damn at home desk job.

Whether people realize this or not, a lot more people are going to lose their tech jobs. And just because our work isn't as productive at home than in an office where coordination is 100x easier, we'll just keep insisting that there's no other way to do this. Besides, everyone moved to SmallTown, USA so we can't go back.

It's all so much more Narcissistic than that CEO would ever be.

I'm not saying there is an easy solution, but to simply lay blame on narcissistic CEOs is laughable.

Re: Why narcissistic leaders resist remote work

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Post by 9x39 »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #34
9x39 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't able to find anything to either support or refute what you said. On one hand, there's a poll that said 58% of respondents admit to ghostwork: https://www.resume-now.com/job-resources/careers/ghostworkin... But how many people sit at a desk or office idly to keep up appearances? That's so common its a trope. Gallup has some interesting polls, they highlight manager engagement as the #1 link to employee engage…

Generally, people that expect remote work don't care at all about people that can't have remote work. Instead why don't people that demand remote work, demand that the factory work also be moved to people's homes? Larry normally goes into the factory to melt tires and mold new ones. The company can buy him a rubber melter and a mold press and install it at his house. Of course this makes no sense for a billion reason…

>I'm not saying there is an easy solution, but to simply lay blame on narcissistic CEOs is laughable.

I agree. The laptop class is still labor, despite their bit of leverage today.

Re: Why narcissistic leaders resist remote work

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #33
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #20

All of my jobs until the last one were in-person, in-office, and toward the end of my schooling, some college courses were 100% remote/online, so I've developed a lot of thoughts. At this point I would oppose remote jobs and opt for the in-person ones. Though my remote job was fantastic in terms of flexibility and the comfort of my own home, much was lacking. It is far, far easier to collaborate with humans and rally…

> there is nothing wrong with those emotional ties This is a US centric viewpoint, and also a non-leadership viewpoint. It may not be wrong to experience emotional attachment to an employer, but it's unwise in my opinion if it can all be gone instantly. Because companies exist to make money, and they will let you go if they can't afford you, want to avoid serious trouble, or think they'll make more money doing someth…

Since I live in a nation that offers a tapestry of entitlements and safety nets for the indigent, and I've tapped into those resources, finding them available in my time of greatest need, I worry far less now about losing all my income, because if it drops near-enough to zero, then that clears the way for assistance for my basic needs, especially food, medical care, shelter, and utilities.

You may hear tell of the "donut hole" or "welfare trap" or similar terms. Being among the working poor is a zero-sum game. I get gov't assistance for vocational rehab and supported employment. I secure employment, I earn money in legitimate paychecks, it's siphoned away for taxes and living expenses, I can't build a savings; my job ends, and I'm "back on the dole". The cycle repeats.

Re: Why narcissistic leaders resist remote work

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Post by shigbom »

tamimio wrote: post #21

Here’s a short list why remote work was attacked in a coordinated way: - government: the government found that remote workers aren’t staying in expensive urban areas, it means less taxes through property taxes and other forms of taxes as well. It also means they have to build infrastructure in other areas than few hotspots in the country. - banks: banks gave loans to landlords, primarily commercial and residential, l…

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