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Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding

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Re: Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The local LLM community is now teeming with erstwhile crypto and NFT hucksters who've brought the culture of hype from their former communities with them. There still are a few deeply technical people left, but their voices are being crowded out by the vapid marketers'.

There are certain influential people on Twitter, who if you see them start tweeting on a subject, you know the influx of hype and hucksters is coming.

coughKarpathycough

Re: Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding

#53
post #43

> the dense 9B fits on a single 80GB GPU Us mere mortals cannot use this.

There are already quantizations available

It would be nice to run a model that isn't quantized to death so it fits in 12GB of VRAM so I have room for reasonable context window, but also, this is ONE model in a set of models, the rest of the models need to run in a GPU cluster apparently.

Re: Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding

#54
I've been testing Ornith-1.0 35B (my own FP8-block quant) and I like it. It runs at >200 tok/s w/ vLLM on an RTX PRO 6000 (sm120), I've run >140M cached tokens of agentic coding work on it over the past few days. It seems to about somewhere between Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B and 27B, but the good thing: it overthinks/doom-loop a lot less than Qwen 3.6. When looking at the thinking traces I like its breakdown approach template.

It does good job on basic analysis, tasks, and some front-end/backend changes on a medium-sized Go codebase, but it reached its limits totally botching a longer (simple) kernel implementation job (about 100 iterations in Pi Agent harness) - this is the type of thing that stronger open models (Kimi K2.6, GLM 5.2) are able to do.

Re: Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding

#55

This is the first Qwen fine-tune that is not immediately rejected by the local LLM community, and in some cases even being recommended. Based on my limited usage, it is good, gives creative solutions to coding problems. I don't expect 9-35B models to one-click create full apps. Most people who were complaining did so .

The local LLM community is now teeming with erstwhile crypto and NFT hucksters who've brought the culture of hype from their former communities with them. There still are a few deeply technical people left, but their voices are being crowded out by the vapid marketers'.

/r/localllama is not like that at all.

Re: Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding

#58
post #54

I've been testing Ornith-1.0 35B (my own FP8-block quant) and I like it. It runs at >200 tok/s w/ vLLM on an RTX PRO 6000 (sm120), I've run >140M cached tokens of agentic coding work on it over the past few days. It seems to about somewhere between Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B and 27B, but the good thing: it overthinks/doom-loop a lot less than Qwen 3.6. When looking at the thinking traces I like its breakdown approach template.…

With this model size I've found that the harness seems to matter more. I've moved on to little-coder rather than raw pi with qwen3.6 27b personally, it might be worth taking a look.

Re: Ornith-1.0: self-improving open-source models for agentic coding

#60
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't self-improve, that's a misleading headline. As far as I can tell they trained it by running their own reinforcement learning on top of Qwen and Gemma 4 (not sure how they combined weights from both, or if they used Qwen as the basis and Gemma 4 to help train?) - so the "self-improving" is about their training process, not how you use the weights.

I think the 9b and 31b dense are Gemma models and the 35B-MoE, and 397B-MoE are Qwen models since these are model sizes covered by each of them respectively

Only the 31b is Gemma.

All the rest - including 9B - are Qwen 3.5/3.6:

https://huggingface.co/deepreinforce-ai/Ornith-1.0-9B/blob/m...

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