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Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by szmarczak »

vanviegen wrote: post #153
szmarczak wrote: post #106

> They were “just doing their job,” It's always this one exact excuse. They were simply "following orders". The police don't have their own brains capable of thinking.

You are meaningfully misquoting here ("doing their job" not "following orders", which has a different ring to it, at least for me). Also, apparently they do have brains capable of thinking because: "Eventually, they accepted that we were journalists and that they disagreed with detaining us."

Ah yes. Let me detain you for 8 hours for doing what you're legally allowed to do. Sorry for my mistake, it's all paid by the taxpayers anyway.

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Post by buellerbueller »

yubblegum wrote: post #232
buellerbueller wrote: post #224

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>what has happened to our nation Politics became a social media-based reality show, replacing policy with vibes.

https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FHL_G9ZGbwAAZrvi.jpg That's what they want you to think. See the gent sitting down next to your elected VP? That is a "prince", a scion of an Arab FAMILY. The grifter twit standing over them? Another "prince", this time of a Jewish FAMILY. They have goals; they have policy preferences, I assure you. Trillions of dollars are involved. Let's just call a spade a spade: this is the emer…

Now show me the same from the Democratic party.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by buellerbueller »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #187
pstuart wrote: post #143

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It's because Israel is necessary for hosting the Apocalypse, and they are eager for it to happen so Jesus will return. I wish that was a joke, but its not, and it's terrifying.

Which is just weird. There is nothing in their holy book like that, they just made it up and now it drives foreign policy.

In whose holy book? Plenty of New Testament Biblical exegesis about the so-called "end times" involves things that could be interpreted as involving modern-day Israel (for example, the Jewish people returning to their homelands).

So: Jewish holy book? You're correct. Christian holy book? Answer is dependent on the sect of Christianity you are talking about.

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Post by BobaFloutist »

Ekaros wrote: post #286
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #252

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Absolutely. I'm kinda surprised that not mutiliation the kids is such a revolting idea that I'm getting down voted for that.

Well it is the underlying sexism in the world. Males is the group that society accepts and celebrates hate against. Many people really think it is okay to do things that go against certain minorities.

I hope you're aware that this particular argument only reinforced people in their existing positions, and has no chance whatsoever of convincing people that don't already agree with you.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by Ekaros »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #305
Ekaros wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it is the underlying sexism in the world. Males is the group that society accepts and celebrates hate against. Many people really think it is okay to do things that go against certain minorities.

I hope you're aware that this particular argument only reinforced people in their existing positions, and has no chance whatsoever of convincing people that don't already agree with you.

Some times you can not change peoples mind. Especially when they are bad human beings. First step is to point out their evils. So that they can be ostracised from polite society and discussion. This is the tactic they have been using. So goal is not to change them as you can not change evil. It is to get the rest to kick them to curb.

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Post by elil17 »

breppp wrote: post #84
elil17 wrote: post #17

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Yes, they're a legitimate news organization. They are partially funded by the EU government.

Since when having a government fund your news organization is a good sign for legitimacy

Well I would say that in this context legitimate means are they accepted by European society as "real journalists." The fact that the European government funds them does indicate that they aren't viewed by society as random crackpot bloggers.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by elil17 »

elric wrote: post #87
elil17 wrote: post #6

For additional context, tensions are already high surrounding the US ambassador after he directly insulted multiple Belgian politicians and also attempted to interfere with local criminal judicial proceedings.

For context: he's accused Belgium of being anti-semitic because a couple of Orthodox Jewish mohels are being prosecuted for practicing illicit medicine (i.e. performing ritual circumcision without a medical license). The investigation started after a complaint was filed by a rabbi, so it's hard to chalk this up to anti-semitisim, but that's modern day US diplomacy for you.

Well, he didn't just say it was anti-semitic. He called for the judges to rule in a specific way. It was very much framed as being about Belgian sovereignty by much of the Belgian media.

One of the mohels was from the US, it was viewed as asking for US citizens to have special treatment in the Belgian legal system.

Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Post by elil17 »

elric wrote: post #189
hector124 wrote: post #185

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It's considered very anti-semitic in America to be against male genital mutilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumc... When Iceland tried to ban it, the ADL had some very choice words about the potential consequences. > Greenblatt sent Iceland's Parliament a letter regarding a proposed infant circumcision ban in that country, arguing that the ban should be rejected due to circumcision's r…

That isn't even the point though. The circumcision itself is perfectly legal in Belgium. The legal issue is with the lack of qualifications of the ones performing them in this case.

The particular circumcision was also performed in an unsanitary manner (metzitzah b'peh), hence why a whistleblower brought it to the attention of authorities and it was prosecuted. This is not accepted practice in the US either.

No one here is getting arrested for doing a normal at-home bris, even if it's technically illegal.

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Post by elil17 »

elric wrote: post #190
toolslive wrote: post #147

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For a bit of context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah#Metzitzah "In three medical papers done in Israel, Canada, and the US, oral suction following circumcision was suggested as a cause in 11 cases of neonatal herpes " lovely.

From what I remember from an interview with the rabbi in question, the "oral suction" was not involved in this case. But because these procedures are being performed illocitly, it is hard to know what's going on or how sanitary it is.

According to VRT it was involved: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/09/20/antwerps-parket-onde...
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