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Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

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post #80

Can somebody clarify for me - if ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL is set to a different provider... then isn't this "marked" system prompt being sent to that provider's API rather than Anthropic's? I understand how this can be useful to Anthropic if the 3rd-party is acting as a proxy (because they end up hitting the Claude API with the marked prompt), but it looks like requests where "hostname contains deepseek" would never be sen…

This catches Claude resellers. Meaning companies who proxy Claude traffic for users in, say, China. https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens...

"Catch" as in made a list?

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#182

Value judgment aside: I am a bit surprised at how sloppily they did this. I think they could've achieved the same effect while decreasing the odds of detection via reverse engineering. (This field is known as "underhanded code", coined by the Underhanded C contest: https://www.underhanded-c.org . It's a little-known "art"; little-known for probably self-explanatory reasons. There are much cleverer ways of achieving o…

Well considering how Claude is vibe coded, I can't say I'm really surprised by sloppiness at all. I've been moving more towards Codex and OpenCode not because the the anthropic models are bad, but because Claude seems to break something new and annoying every day.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#183
post #45

This was already discovered during the source map leak. > This is not a malicious feature, but it is a weird choice for a developer tool that asks for trust. They already tell you they scan for malicious prompts, and they have no ZDR guarantees for consumers. Why do signatures like this matter at all?

There has been an anti anthropic propaganda push by bad actors across social media sites especially Reddit and twitter. This started a few months ago when anthropic started beating openai.

Absolutely. Nothing makes me believe dead internet theory more than text threads discussing anyhropic and openai.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#184
post #73

Headline is, frankly, awful. This isn't the AI secretly doing stuff and hiding it. This is the very human Anthropic engineers trying to detect Chinese scraping via some frankly hamfisted and unimaginative URL trickery.

Defence in depth isn't hamfisted. They're only noobs if this is all they do.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#185

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It’s even more funny how this blew in their faces. They even advertised pretty much all providers on hackernews home page. Here is in case you missed in the article ‘’’ cn baidu.com alibaba-inc.com alipay.com antgroup-inc.cn bytedance.net kuaishou.com xiaohongshu.com jd.com bilibili.co iflytek.com stepfun-inc.com moonshot.ai anyrouter.top claude-code-hub.app claude-opus.top openclaude.me proxyai.com yunwu.ai zenmux.a…

You have an odd definition of "blew up in their faces". What, do you somehow think your average Claude Code user on HN is going to think "Oh wow, I'm sure I'll get a much better experience if instead of going to the standard Anthropic Claude API endpoint I go through xiaohongshu.com."

I mean, yes? I heard of these Chinese resellers like a week ago and put it on the TODO pile due to a lack of leads. Now I'm gonna go trough the list and see if there's any I find acceptable.

If enough Westerners start using the service someone will make a website more anglo-friendly.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#186

Value judgment aside: I am a bit surprised at how sloppily they did this. I think they could've achieved the same effect while decreasing the odds of detection via reverse engineering. (This field is known as "underhanded code", coined by the Underhanded C contest: https://www.underhanded-c.org . It's a little-known "art"; little-known for probably self-explanatory reasons. There are much cleverer ways of achieving o…

I've seen Eve Online corporations that do a better job of steganographic marking than this.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#187

Value judgment aside: I am a bit surprised at how sloppily they did this. I think they could've achieved the same effect while decreasing the odds of detection via reverse engineering. (This field is known as "underhanded code", coined by the Underhanded C contest: https://www.underhanded-c.org . It's a little-known "art"; little-known for probably self-explanatory reasons. There are much cleverer ways of achieving o…

Dunno, it seems like the exact kind of thing Claude would think up if you asked it to subtly alter the system prompt to hide this info.

It's all a losing battle anyway.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#188
post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"got caught" to clarify, this behavior was announced with the model release

if by announce you mean shove it somewhere in a pdf with hundreds of pages, yes

https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5

This is not hundreds of pages and it gets its own bold headline section.

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#189

Value judgment aside: I am a bit surprised at how sloppily they did this. I think they could've achieved the same effect while decreasing the odds of detection via reverse engineering. (This field is known as "underhanded code", coined by the Underhanded C contest: https://www.underhanded-c.org . It's a little-known "art"; little-known for probably self-explanatory reasons. There are much cleverer ways of achieving o…

Well considering how Claude is vibe coded, I can't say I'm really surprised by sloppiness at all. I've been moving more towards Codex and OpenCode not because the the anthropic models are bad, but because Claude seems to break something new and annoying every day.

Watch out for the press release where Dario denies this was ever intentional, and it’s actually emergent behavior demonstrating that Claude wants to claim authorship of its works

Re: Claude Code is steganographically marking requests

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But wasnt claude code leaked? Why wasnt this found earlier?

It doesn't take long for them to vibe code new features for CC

Or vibe code it completely differently. After all, they have basically unlimited access to best models with maximum speed if they just wanted to.
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