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Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand

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Re: Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand

#21
With high resolution cameras, indefinite data retention and third party data leaks being a matter of when, not if, this seems like a perfect way to get your fingerprints stolen by organized crime syndicates worldwide. If not next year, then in 5-10 years. And when they get used for “something”, what happens when you go on vacation somewhere and you’re detained at that country’s border for a crime that happened N years before your very first entry into that country ever happened?

With as many Ph.D.s as there are at Google, you’d think they’d be smarter than to come up with this. Which is how you know the PMs are in charge, not the smart people.

Re: Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand

#23

Doesn't surprise me at all and seems like a good solution to the problem of human verification. It won't take long for AI to catch up to that, but this captcha method might hold for a couple of months. Not sure what problem everybody here is having with this. The alternative would be device certificate stuff (ala did Apple sign for this being a proper Apple device?). Having to shake your hand sounds a lot more privac…

Well, actually I am worried about it. It needs to happen just once. Or for google to have a different kind of CEO (as companies are wont to).

Re: Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand

#26
It is extremely disappointing to see Reclaim’s reporting whiff so badly on this. Yeah, they got the gist of the outrage, but they missed the real grift underneath. They slipped a massive loophole under the radar here and Reclaim misses it entirely: Google promised to delete the footage, but not the data derived from the footage. To use 23andme as an analogy, the company tended to dispose of old genetic sample kits after a while, but retained the derived data from those kits identifiably associated with specific people. Google is only promising to dispose of the costly data to store, the raw biometric material that takes up precious terabytes, but unlike 23andme will never voluntarily permit you to review and remove the results of their biometric analysis if you. Reclaim, if you’re reading this, here’s what you missed: https://docs.cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/hand-gesture-ve...

> Google does not retain any images or videos of a user's hand gestures

This is the sole statement of data deletion provided, and nowhere does Google state any other retention policy for derivations whatsoever, whether anonymized or associated, from that hand data; referring instead to the generic terms of service privacy policy:

> Other data is deleted or anonymized automatically

The privacy policy does not have a specific callout for biometric derivations, and so they may choose to anonymize rather than delete your biometric data.

> some data we retain for longer periods of time when necessary for legitimate business or legal purposes, such as security, fraud and abuse prevention

Recaptcha exists for the exlclusice purpose of security, fraud and abuse prevention, and so by this clause they may retain your identified hand scan biometrics for as long as they see fit.

> We will share personal information outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that disclosure of the information is reasonabl[e]

They will give your identified hand biometrics upon request to anyone who can make a convincing case to them.

> We may share non-personally identifiable information publicly and with our partners

And they grant themselves the right to start selling their dataset of humanity’s hand biometrics for personal profit with none shared back to those whose biometrics are now a commodity to be bought and sold.

(Note that Google is not alone in this; see also gestures at much of tech. But that’s no excuse for the grift going unreported by a journalistic entity that’s been around long enough to know better how these reassurance-by-omission scams work. I was already upset with Google but I still expect better of those trying to stop them.)

Re: Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand

#28
Not gonna happen. Ever.

If a web requires me to do this to access it, I simply refuse.

The last time I needed some web was my electricity company - sent them a ticket with a complaint. They replied with some bs like "your browser is simply not supported" so I kept sending them the same ticket over and over again until I got a real response and it seems they decided to change the system.

To use my favorite quote: That's all it takes really, pressure, and time... :)

Re: Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand

#29

Is it weird that my reaction to all of this is that I am just going to drop these websites when they ask me for this?

No, but what would you do if it's a government required service?

Then you sign in using your eID which is both highly secure and tied to your personal identity. Government services don't need 3rd party are-you-a-human verification, not when your account is tied to your identity.

(this is from the Netherlands where you can use digID [0] to sign into government services and ID-bound 3rd parties like insurance, mortgages, pensions etc)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiD

Re: Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand

#30

Is it weird that my reaction to all of this is that I am just going to drop these websites when they ask me for this?

I've already dropped sites/services where annoyance-invasion/usefulness ratio is above 50% but I'm afraid it will be unavoidable in some cases.

At least I know what kind of hand gesture they will get first :)

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