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EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#81
post #78

Air conditioning weirdness around the EU: I live in the EU and everyone I know, including not too well off people on benefits and pensions, have aircon. I have multiple houses and dozens of aircons, but many friends in small apartments have them too, mostly since covid. In one house I have them running summer and winter 247 and the electric bill is still below 100E, way lower than people with swimming pools.

It depends on the country. If you live in a place that - traditionally - had only an expected few days of really hot temperatures every summer, it wasn't worth the investment. With climate change, the temperatures are now higher and the heat stretches longer.

Agreed, the EU is not that small and Southern countries had to go before northern but now I feel it is pretty normal. Might be my circle of course. Or in a shorter way; YMMV. I know zero people without aircon and one couple live fulltime in a yurt.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#82
post #43

The whole conversation about upper and lower floors is absurd. Obviously the upper floors are absorbing more sunlight and need more cooling. Ground level and basement floors have been known as the coolest places in skyscrapers for centuries.

Except it wasn't the basement and first floor. It was the first seven floors. Coincidentally, also the floors most of the higher-ups don't work on. Or at least that's how it's being reported, so I don't think people's outrage is absurd.

4pm on a Friday, people were likely already heading home. This is being blown out of proportion.

The broader discussion about AC in Europe is good to have, but this specific story seems to be borderline click-bait.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#83
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The A/C cannot keep up the load, due to the exteme heat. So they decided to just not cool one part of the building, to be able to keep cooling the other part .. It is now interesting who was in which part ;)

Clearly those in floors 1->7 were less important and thus allowed to take the day off and/or work remotely, right?

It was 4pm on Friday, so yes, they were probably heading home already.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#84
post #4

> The heat wave has prompted a renewed discussion about the lack of air-conditioning systems in homes and offices across much of Europe Discussion, common sense requires discussion. All you need to know about them in one sentence.

Well the Greens in Europe handed Russia leverage thanks to relying on natural gas instead of nuclear, which it opposed (thanks German Greens).

In France these ideologues oppose A/C becauase it's evil: it makes us comfortable when we should be uncomfortable - if we are comfortable in an era of climate change, we'll only make it worse. And it's all America's fault anyway because of their emissions.

When do we vote out ideologues and have logical people in power?

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#85
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The A/C cannot keep up the load, due to the exteme heat. So they decided to just not cool one part of the building, to be able to keep cooling the other part .. It is now interesting who was in which part ;)

If that's the case then the building's system was very badly designed...

That seems true - it's not a historic building - it was built in the mid- to late-1960s.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#86

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Historically temperatures above 30C (86F) were rare in Europe, so thats what many ACs are sized for. Now they face 40C (104F), and many AC installations can't keep up Shutting down AC on floors 1 to 7 likely allows them to get better performance on floors 8 to 13

That's not true. Temperature above 30C are the norm in summer in Southern Europe (which means quite higher in the Sun and in a heat trap location). Now, yes 40C isn't. But I am unconvinced that AC manufacturers have different "sizing"... An AC unit is for hot places and the outdoor unit may be in a very hot spots with ambient easily above 40C. Edit: Yes, AC systems for a whole building are different but still the sys…

That building doesn't have the kind of outdoor unit you're thinking of, it has central climate control and gadgetry on the roof. You can see it on Google Maps.

Also 19 satellite antennae, if my count is right.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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It's not exactly the Council of Elrond. It's appropriate for the design to be closer to Barad-dûr than Rivendell.

What's up with the knee-jerk hate on EU lately?

The US is going to shit, and the Americans want to pretend everywhere is equally bad and it's not just them..

It is, of course, just them.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#89
post #50

Just adding some context on the AC and the building as well which was explained by journalist David Carretta (who follows EU politics, written in Italian) here https://x.com/davcarretta/status/2071592636260012175 . To summarise, AC was turned off floor by floor, with the switch off starting from 16:00 over a Friday, a time when most administrative personnel is getting off work for the weekend. The entire building had…

Oh please, I needed my daily dose of internet rage and EU hate and here you are with you damn facts.

/s

(Seriously, look at these comments. What is happening to HN? Is this what previously productive people now do with their free time while their agents are churning?)

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

#90
post #4

> The heat wave has prompted a renewed discussion about the lack of air-conditioning systems in homes and offices across much of Europe Discussion, common sense requires discussion. All you need to know about them in one sentence.

Some of the discussion going online, has asserted that heat related deaths in Europe exceed gun related deaths in the USA by some margin. If true, it has been ignored as a problem for too long.

Yeah, annual heat deaths in Europe (about 70k) exceed annual gun deaths in the US (about 44k) in absolute numbers. They're slightly under US gun deaths if you adjust for population (about 13 per 100k gun deaths in the US, and 12 heat deaths per 100k in Europe).

In comparison, fewer than 2k people die annually of heat in the US, well under 1 per 100k. And for symmetry, there are about 7k gun deaths annually in the EU, which is just slightly under 1 per 100k.

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