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Re: The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

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Nowhere was Israel mentioned. Please stop with these antisemitic dogwhistle posts in this thread.

Do you even know who Jared Kushner is? He is basically conjoined at the hip with Israeli society: https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-son-in-laws-ties-to-isra...

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We should not change body parts of persons that are not capable of consenting to that. Why not wait until someone is capable of taking those decisions by themself instead of imposing them and on top of that risking their health while doing so? At some point we need to accept that in a relfrespecting society health and free will must prevail over any practice that infringes on them.

Religious edicts apart, it's not that simple - in Judaism and Islam, not circumcising is also considered a health risk. (It's similar to the edict to not eat Pork). Obviously, just as parents don't let a child decide whether they want to brush their teeth or eat as much sweet as they want, not circumcising your kid is thus seen as irresponsible parenting. But yes, circumcising babies seems to be a modern phenomena. (I think this has happened because of the controversy / myth that babies don't feel pain - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/7182 ). Originally, as far as I know, circumcision was mostly done to pre-teen (those nearing puberty). And is like one of those "puberty rituals" (celebrating the transition of one from childhood to adulthood) that are common in many cultures around the world. (In fact, the onset of puberty was treated as adulthood by many cultures around a century back, and thus teenage marriage was quite a commonly accepted practice).

That said, I also agree that there's a political angle too - some people (atheist activists, right-wingers, religious fundamentalists etc.) only use this for identity politics against Judaism and / or Islam.

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> part of accepting a pardon is accepting guilt Is that not a commonly misunderstood myth? You do not have to sign anything admitting guilt.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3... different courts have said different things. the more recent courts have said it only removes the punishment you were still found guilty, so the guilt is still there

That link breaks for me, but I suspect I know what you are referring to. That talk from the various courts seems mostly like rhetoric more than an establishment of legal precedent. It is all implied meaning, since indeed you do not need to affirmatively proclaim your own guilt in order to accept a pardon. You can just accept delivery and be done with it. Whether someone else imputes guilt from that is [mostly] their problem.

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EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, Article 11: Freedom of expression and information 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. 2. The freedom and pluralism of the media shall be respected.

Is this the right of freedom of expression? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/09/pimmelgate-g...

In our legal system not all way to express your opinion are protected.

Death threats, insults and promises of rape can be considered ways to express yourself, but any opinion worth expressing can be stated without.

Sure, this can be the first step to the suppression of dissenting points of view.

The thing is: Before the nazis came to power, they made everybody else afraid to state their mind with open threats and violence. So it’s painfully obvious that unmoderated free speech can also be used to suppress dissenting opinions.

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Circumcision is fine I guess. What’s weird is when it’s not done in a proper setting (hospital) but in a ritual and by some person who is not a medically licensed. Another thing that we should all have a problem with is the non consenting age of 0. Ultimately, at least hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.

There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting.

> not a medically licensed

> hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.

Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed.

There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in (see the GP).

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Nowhere was Israel mentioned. Please stop with these antisemitic dogwhistle posts in this thread.

Nice try but I don't see Congressmen doing this with Russian flags

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It is totally OK for an adult to choose to be circumcised. It is not OK to do that to babies.

That comment is what I described in the GP: Reasons .

"Reasons" is not a good argument for doing surgery on babies.

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Circumcision is fine I guess. What’s weird is when it’s not done in a proper setting (hospital) but in a ritual and by some person who is not a medically licensed. Another thing that we should all have a problem with is the non consenting age of 0. Ultimately, at least hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.

There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting. > not a medically licensed > hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions. Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed. There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Ju…

There is absolutely a crisis of bad health outcomes due to relatively simple home medical procedures. E.g. People take Tylenol at home thinking it is safe, meanwhile Tylenol posionsing is the second most common reason for liver transplantation worldwide.

The reason we accept these crisis is due to societal, cultural and religious tradition/pressure. IMO, in an ideal world, many of these things should draw additional scrutiny.

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