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Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

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Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

#91

neat idea, useful for travelling groups or work sessions on the go. What's the catch tho? Facebook login? Suspect. Ads popping up on every hotspot user's web browsing? Or does paying for the device cover them

Why should there be a catch if you're paying $14/GB? Not exactly a bargain. There are very similar offerings like the one from Virgin mobile at a similar price point.

Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You actually can't name your hotspot currently. It automatically names itself [name]'s Karma, pulled from your facebook info. Their reasoning - https://yourkarma.com/help/5-why-can-t-i-change-the-name-of-...

This makes me want to create an network of access point named "x Karma" that installs viruses and malware. "Viral marketing," I'll call it.

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Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

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"Is it safe? You have nothing to fear. Karma is as safe as Wi-Fi in your coffee shop. Most sites use HTTPS, like Facebook and Google, making your connection secure." "as safe as Wi-Fi in your coffee shop" is not very safe at all. Before FireSheep people could pick off sessions to all these major websites. It's my understanding that mobile applications connected to Wi-Fi still often have these problems.

It's also trivial to be able to pose as someone else's computer on coffeeshop style wifi networks. It's likely the same is true here, which would allow anyone inclined to pose as the owner which could suck with a usage based pricing model.

Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

#94

I love the concept. One important part that should be added though (I couldn't tell from the website if they already do something like this): When using it to share your personal internet connection, guest wifi connections should have all their internet traffic proxied/vpn'ed through the service's own internet connection. That way, the service itself keeps track of who was connected when, and if anything illicit happ…

With this device, you are not sharing your home internet connection. You are sharing the 4G internet connection, and I believe it does work as you describe - the individual must login and pay for access (and when they do, you, as the owner of the device, gets a free 100mb).

I don't think they have to pay, as they begin with 100 MB of traffic. They get a free 100 MB, you get a free 100 MB.

Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

#95
What I would really like is a system where I can provide open access to internet and people who connect via my hotspot report the amount of traffic I passed for them to central system and when I'm in need of a connection I can use some other people connections within my credit earned by providing internet connection for other people.

Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

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post #80

"Is it safe? You have nothing to fear. Karma is as safe as Wi-Fi in your coffee shop. Most sites use HTTPS, like Facebook and Google, making your connection secure." "as safe as Wi-Fi in your coffee shop" is not very safe at all. Before FireSheep people could pick off sessions to all these major websites. It's my understanding that mobile applications connected to Wi-Fi still often have these problems.

It's also trivial to be able to pose as someone else's computer on coffeeshop style wifi networks. It's likely the same is true here, which would allow anyone inclined to pose as the owner which could suck with a usage based pricing model.

Yeah, I was wondering if it was MAC based. I ordered one so I'll see how badly it breaks once they actually ship them. It's too bad because they probably could do something clever like cross service 802.1x. One SSID for enrollment and the other using 802.1x for all enrolled people (perhaps using a service-wide SSID so you could "roam").

Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

#97
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I prefer the OpenGarden model for this, which is entirely software based, and thus only needs an Android (and hopefully soon iOS) phone to accomplish the exact same. And as speeds and phones get faster and more pervasive, their distribution model is far better than Karma's. (Disclosure, I'm an investor in OpenGarden)

I've been meaning to try OpenGarden and I agree to some extent that OpenGarden might be a better solution. However I think the mobile hotspot such as Karma, Freedom, etc offer the benefit of not chewing through your smartphone's battery and your plan's data limits.

Battery is an issue for now. Data limits will be resolved but the reality is, most folks are far under their plan.

Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

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post #98

I'm not sure I get the deal: You buy bandwidth and then give it away in order to get some more free bandwidth. What is the catch though? Why do they want you to share your bandwidth? What are they getting out of it?

More people sharing bandwidth = more signups = more customers = more $$$

Re: Karma - pay as you go data by sharing your hotspot

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They sum up their reasoning pretty succinctly here: https://yourkarma.com/help/75-why-do-i-have-to-login-with-fa...

Because it's so hard to make a fake Facebook account. If someone actually wants to cause trouble, requiring Facebook won't do anything except slow them down for about 20 seconds. I see this "reason" everywhere, but it's total garbage.

Seriously. That's asinine.
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