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Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by everybodyknows »

kombookcha wrote: post #14
8-prime wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether written with AI or not, I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment that it's AI slop . We too often only categorize between no AI used and AI slop. Does them using AI to write the article invalidate the points stated in any way? I personally don't think so. I too am weary of constant bombardment with AI but at the same time being against something just because AI was in the loop isn't much better, if at all…

If it wasn't worth writing for the author, it won't be worth reading for you and I. If you have a point to make, putting it into words is part of how you structure and understand it yourself. I would much rather read a point imperfectly made by a person, than a bunch of algo-noise around the fuzzy outline of a point that nobody has thought through. If you value your finite human time and attention you have to somehow…

> slop sniff test

An unexpected challenge being that our sense of smell requires continual readjustment: Heavy use of em-dashes was formerly a "tell", but the AI-masters retrained them, and now they do the opposite. Indeed, there's a general scarcity of any punctuation other than the period.

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by 8-prime »

hennell wrote: post #22
8-prime wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether written with AI or not, I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment that it's AI slop . We too often only categorize between no AI used and AI slop. Does them using AI to write the article invalidate the points stated in any way? I personally don't think so. I too am weary of constant bombardment with AI but at the same time being against something just because AI was in the loop isn't much better, if at all…

People have always judged ideas on their communication. if u rite lk this bro - I'm probably not going to pay much attention. Conversely if you write in a really formal way for a young audience you probably won't get far either. It's a shortcut of importance; if it's not important to you to communicate your message well, then it's probably not that important a message. And this article is such Ai slop. You see the se…

I agree with your points, I just struggle with the stance that something is bad simply because AI was in the mix (which tbf is not what you are saying). The writing style is a little too much for my taste as well. At the same time, many of the stylistic choises that LLMs make are not far from how someone who can write well, would express their opinions.

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by falcor84 »

N_Lens wrote: post #26
baxtr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely curious: How do you know?

So many easy tells, AI, particularly Claude, has a characteristic writing style (Can be alleviated by using smaller/local models).

Your comment would've been more valuable if you actually included at least one actual example of evidence.

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by ngsevers »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #27

> But a demo is not a system. A demo is controlled. The input is clean, the edge cases are removed, and the happy path is selected in advance. Real work has missing data, unclear requests, old records, broken integrations, private context, bad formatting, vague instructions, and exceptions nobody wrote down. This has been the case for decades. LLMs are just magnifying it. That's why I feel that an important part of a…

This is definitely the case with ERP/accounting systems. AI can make the demo look better, but someone inside the company still has to own each process.

I’ve found that no matter what systems companies implement, behind the scenes they usually still run on spreadsheets. Moving people away from that is where the pushback starts.

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by falcor84 »

wseqyrku wrote: post #23

If I were working in marketing and I wanted to increase utilization of the nuclear power plant next door, I would wipe 50 years of computer science and introduce "agent programming" and pretend it's the future. What are the odds people would buy it? Hit send.

There's a lot that could be said against agentic programming, but I don't understand how it wipes away anyway about CS - everything about this is a massive tower built on top of (and effectively utilizing) everything that we've learned about CS fundamentals and engineering over these decades.

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by DarkNova6 »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #28
Alien1Being wrote: post #20

More AI written slop... Just skip it. Not worth reading.

Flag it

Why didn't I think of this sooner? You are completely right, there needs to be a a way to punish slop. If anything, it should lower the rating for website in the future as well.

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by khuey »

falcor84 wrote: post #33
N_Lens wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many easy tells, AI, particularly Claude, has a characteristic writing style (Can be alleviated by using smaller/local models).

Your comment would've been more valuable if you actually included at least one actual example of evidence.

The most obvious ones to me are the sentences that aren't actually sentences but just lists of stuff (and sometimes not even proper sentences). It starts at the third sentence and there's one in the majority of paragraphs. LLMs love writing like this but humans don't do this.

"Support tickets, lead follow-ups, reports, internal updates, research, data entry, task assignment, status checks."

"Real work has missing data, unclear requests, old records, broken integrations, private context, bad formatting, vague instructions, and exceptions nobody wrote down."

"They still need ownership. They need monitoring, logs, fallbacks, permissions, updates, and someone who understands both the business and the software."

"People are busy tuning prompts, adjusting workflows, adding tools, joining calls about the automation, reviewing outputs, and fixing strange mistakes."

"It can speed up writing, coding, research, support, operations, and internal tools."

"It can fail, drift, break, make bad assumptions, and produce bad output with confidence. It can depend on tools that change, APIs that fail, and data that gets messy."

"It has to be designed, shipped, watched, fixed, and improved when the business changes."

"The part where the system meets real users, real data, real edge cases, real failures, and real Mondays."

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by wseqyrku »

falcor84 wrote: post #35
wseqyrku wrote: post #23

If I were working in marketing and I wanted to increase utilization of the nuclear power plant next door, I would wipe 50 years of computer science and introduce "agent programming" and pretend it's the future. What are the odds people would buy it? Hit send.

There's a lot that could be said against agentic programming, but I don't understand how it wipes away anyway about CS - everything about this is a massive tower built on top of (and effectively utilizing) everything that we've learned about CS fundamentals and engineering over these decades.

>but I don't understand how it wipes away anyway about CS

Because transformers is a mathematician's take on programming. Not your CS graduate.

Re: The operating cost starts after the demo

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Post by cwmoore »

falcor84 wrote: post #33
N_Lens wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many easy tells, AI, particularly Claude, has a characteristic writing style (Can be alleviated by using smaller/local models).

Your comment would've been more valuable if you actually included at least one actual example of evidence.

My pattern recognition is a lot less costly to me than your request for proof
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