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30-year sentence for transporting zines is a five-alarm fire for free speech

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Post by DoneWithAllThat »

Xorakios wrote: post #12

Here's the case: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndtx/pr/antifa-cell-members-con... The 30 year sentence was for hiding documentation being sought under a federal warrant after being called by his wife and asking him to do so. The warrant was for documentation after the protesters shot fireworks to bring out first responders from the ICE facility, and allegedly one of the group shot a responder in the neck instead of th…

It’s not “alleged” that one of the terrorists shot an officer in the neck. It was proven in court that he did and he was convicted for it.

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jmyeet wrote: post #434
arjie wrote: post #5

It's pretty straightforward that if someone tells you to hide something because they've been arrested and they think it ties them to some criminal act, and then you hide it, you're an accessory to the crime. 30 years for that seems harsh though I anticipate they will be pardoned by the next Democratic Party President. Describing such an act without the obvious context is a pretty good way to point out that it's parti…

I would love to see a detailed comparison of everyone who comments on this issue vs their comments on the age verification issue. For the latter, people bend over backwards to make it a free speech issue yet so many bend over backwards on this issue to argue this 30 year sentence was good actually because they were an accessory to domestic terrorism. My hypothesis is that these two groups are mostly the same people.…

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Post by undersuit »

beardedwizard wrote: post #414
someonebaggy wrote: post #407

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No country has ever recovered from this sort of thing. At best the empire collapses and the country survives as a country and becomes a vassal of a different empire (likely China, or BRICS). If recovery was possible, we wouldn't have gotten this far already.

Can you name a single relevant historical example for this claim?

Why don't you just name a country that voted its way out of fascism.

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Post by earth_tattoo »

bluescrn wrote: post #420
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #384

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The pardoned Jan. 6 rioters had a lot of far worse plans that were foiled which could have resulted in more casualties. There was lots of evidence several of them planned to kidnap sitting congressmen and women. Do you know why they were pardoned and this zine hider got 30 years? Must just be a quirk of the justice system...

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Post by stouset »

earth_tattoo wrote: post #464
bluescrn wrote: post #420

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And what happens when the “investigations” are malicious, politically motivated, and prosecuted by a DoJ that’s been bent to the will of a tinpot dictator, and adjudicated by overtly political actors?

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stouset wrote: post #465
earth_tattoo wrote: post #464

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And what happens when the “investigations” are malicious, politically motivated, and prosecuted by a DoJ that’s been bent to the will of a tinpot dictator, and adjudicated by overtly political actors?

Then you have courts. Still doesn't excuse giving blanket pardons.

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Post by mc32 »

blockmarker wrote: post #412
tkel wrote: post #233

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"Lure police into an ambush" is quite a stretch. It's quite normal to do noise demonstrations outside jails/prisons to show solidarity with the captives, the captives will often times knock on the windows to communicate back. In fact there were noise demonstrations outside the Delaney Hall ICE jail in New Jersey just this month, which you may have heard about. The mischaracterization of fireworks as "explosives" is a…

Fireworks are explosives, and people are hurt by misusing them. Just because they are less harmful than grenades doesn't mean that they are harmless, and throwing them at someone is clearly with the intention of harming them. And well, shooting them with rifles is also clearly intended to harm them.

The fireworks were a distraction tactic. It wasn’t the main tool in the attempt to main injure and kill. Things went sideways for them; however the intent was there. I think that’s what the issue was. Obviously the feds always go overboard with charges in order that there be a higher likelihood of conviction and long term punishment for the convicted.

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Post by mathisfun123 »

vasco wrote: post #376
mathisfun123 wrote: post #339

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This is like insisting a butter knife is a knife

People lose limbs all the time with fireworks

Do you understand this is a non-sequitur or do I need to repeat the point of the butter knife?

Edit: NM I'm just gonna call it: this is by far the dumbest bad faith argument for why someone should be in prison for 30 years I have ever heard. You're clearly just a provocateur.

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Post by tkel »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #396
tkel wrote: post #241

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Prisons are political violence. War is political violence. Policing is political violence. Pretty rich to hear moralizing about "poticial violence" from US citizens, the country which has the largest military, largest prison system, and spends the most on policing out of any country on the planet.

The state has a monopoly on all kinds of violence you listed. If it wouldn't you would either end up in civil war or a failed state with local warlords.

I reject that simplistic fearmongering, the US acts as a neoliberal warlord on the international stage, but my point is that what the state chooses to do with the monopoly on violence is extremely political.
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