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European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by whazor »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #54

Even relying on Android's hardware attestation API instead of Play Integrity is an attack on digital autonomy in my opinion. Any security feature which relies on remote attestation of the users entire platform is government overreach as it ultimately gives the government the power to choose what operating systems are acceptable. It is only a matter of time before this power will be misused to put pressure on OS devel…

I'm ok with enforcing hardware security. Both for banks and governments.

But it must not limit the ability of running custom software on a phone. And especially not enforcing every person to get a Google/Apple signed phone.

Like if I get GrapheneOS on my phone. Banking/gov apps should work. But I believe this could be possible with enforcing hardware security as well.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by ralferoo »

Luker88 wrote: post #101
etiennebausson wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe 1/3 of the population functionally illiterate in Europe seems beyond wild to me. Are you talking about technical illiteracy? security illiteracy? Or do you mean they can't read english, which is a very different thing.

"functionally illiterate" means that while you can read your native language, you will not correctly understand what you have just read. Rates seem to vary state by state, from as low as 8% (denmark) to 43% (romania). It's also not a clearly defined target, since it would be better to have rates based on the reading comprehension of the average school at year X or something similar.

I'm curious about this definition, just because it's not something I've ever considered before and googling seems to muddy the water even more.

Is it "functionally illiterate" if you can read the language aloud and not understand it, if you also wouldn't have understood the same thing spoken to you? That seems like it's about comprehension ability, not literacy.

Although one thing that just occurred to me is that if your reading level is low, you might be using all your cognition on reading so that you don't have spare capacity to understand as well - that's frequently the case for me with e.g. Chinese where I can read an entire passage out and then the teacher asks what the passage was about and I'm just thinking "I dunno, I wasn't thinking about that but I think I understood everything".

And that's definitely a different problem to being able to sound out the words, but just having no idea what those words mean, whether you read them or heard them.

And does it have to be your native language, or in any language? Not trying to nitpick, it just feels like the phrase can be usefully applied to a foreign language too.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by ulbu »

maybewhenthesun wrote: post #58
nba456_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Aren't monopolies is what we end up by default if have no regulation at all? No.

19th century begs to differ. A better answer would be 'not always'. The proposed regulations forcing everybody to use google or apple are ridiculous and very much the opposite of the kind of regulations we need though...

or “sometimes not, until more data arrives”.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by surgical_fire »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #53
cjrp wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> building a worse version of AWS just so that it is "European" makes no financial sense Unless it becomes necessary because of EU regulation?

Hopefully not. This hate towards good technology and innovation because you don’t like the current president is ridiculous. He’ll be gone in two years or so and then we’ll get back to normal.

I don't thing things are going back to the previous state of affairs after this.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by u1hcw9nx »

This is only reflects their market share for now. The EU legally forbids member states from making a smartphone mandatory to access public services. The EU explicitly anticipated the danger of relying entirely on the iOS and Android and designed the EUDI Wallet framework to allow for other physical form factors. For example;

1. Smart Cards (The Current National ID)

2. Standalone Hardware Tokens & USB Keys

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by LelouBil »

lxgr wrote: post #112

There's a relatively simple and much more open and secure solution to this: Make physical EU ID cards the attestation source, and require users to tap them against their phone for critical operations (high-value signatures, login on a new device or after repeated authentication failures etc). That would solve the open hardware/OS "problem" on the device entirely, as there's no trusted hardware or OS signature require…

My French ID card has the features, but also the French digital ID app also requires Play Integrity...

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by KoolKat23 »

This quite literally validates those "tinhat conspiracy" folks, honestly the EU are not doing us or themselves any favours here. If it is intended to replace cash then it should function like cash. This limitation is draconian.

There is one thing after the next, under Von der Leyen and Metsola, its ridiculous.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by newsclues »

In general government policy for technology and communications, is a regulatory capture gift to big corporations.

The government gets data to “manage” the citizens and the companies get data to “manage” consumer and the power structure is protected.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by jesterson »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #121
jesterson wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think anyone in EU bureaucracy has any concerns regarding Digital Sovereignty, do you?

If this can win elections, then why not?

I doubt this can win elections.

They will frame it as "child porn trafficking patriot saving act" and majority will vote in favour without reading fineprint.

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