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Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by Luker88 »

etiennebausson wrote: post #76
esrauch wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not 1% here though... Graphene has 300k users worldwide. There's 8 million absolutely illiterate and 150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe for comparison on scale here.

>150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe 1/3 of the population functionally illiterate in Europe seems beyond wild to me. Are you talking about technical illiteracy? security illiteracy? Or do you mean they can't read english, which is a very different thing.

"functionally illiterate" means that while you can read your native language, you will not correctly understand what you have just read.

Rates seem to vary state by state, from as low as 8% (denmark) to 43% (romania).

It's also not a clearly defined target, since it would be better to have rates based on the reading comprehension of the average school at year X or something similar.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

throwwwll wrote: post #98
Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, has there any empirical evidence disproven any of those base assumptions? In econ the easiest part is to create a model, the hardest part is seeing it crash against reality. But the basis of monopolies seems to be pretty thoroughly tested. The biggest issues you have now are Chesterton Fence's. Were its hard to know what laws and regulations are therefore safety, parity and economic performance and ones are o…

> where are the proofs > I know "chesterton fence", I smart

Went from nice to rude in no time.

4chan greentext style over substance is cute, but its outdated and wasnt that funny a decade ago

if you have nothing to add, then why reply?

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

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Post by siwatanejo »

teekert wrote: post #95
Luker88 wrote: post #36

The EU reference for wallets strictly required google play services https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-andro... So Italy's IO app https://github.com/pagopa/io-app (wallet, documents, age verification) continuously refuses the users' request for GrapheneOS support and requires google. Nothing will change until the lawsuits start coming in. The only hope is the motorola/grapheneOS collaboration and…

Motorola/GrapheneOS, and FairPhone/e/OS.

Yes

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#104

Post by TalkingCodeMonk »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #60
peterspath wrote: post #43

They should not make it mandatory for or expect people to have a smartphone.

A few years ago as I was working for a local government, a similar discussion started, but quickly finished after the project owner valiantly displayed her dumbphone. Only months later did I learn that her husband was investigated for misappropriation of funds, so keeping a minimal digital footprint was important for her. Moral of the story: everyone has a smartphone.

So, if the majority chose to get microchipped, you believe either we should force the minority to get microchipped against their will, or just exclude them from society?

"Your papers, please"

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#105

Post by blitzar »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #53
cjrp wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> building a worse version of AWS just so that it is "European" makes no financial sense Unless it becomes necessary because of EU regulation?

Hopefully not. This hate towards good technology and innovation because you don’t like the current president is ridiculous. He’ll be gone in two years or so and then we’ll get back to normal.

> This hate towards good technology and innovation

Mine is to a collective people that vote in these people. I get that people can change, grow, evolve etc but I didnt trust a german for 60 years, I wont trust an american for at least a generation.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#106

Post by iso1631 »

etiennebausson wrote: post #76
esrauch wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not 1% here though... Graphene has 300k users worldwide. There's 8 million absolutely illiterate and 150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe for comparison on scale here.

>150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe 1/3 of the population functionally illiterate in Europe seems beyond wild to me. Are you talking about technical illiteracy? security illiteracy? Or do you mean they can't read english, which is a very different thing.

Dunno what the OP meant, but in the UK

https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/16247/Public-Health...

> Guidance tells us the average reading age in the North East is lower than the national average at between 9 to 11 years. To put that into context The Guardian Newspaper has a reading age of 14 and the Sun Newspaper has a reading age of 8.

Health literacy specifically is a major problem in healthcare

https://literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-lite...

> 1 in 4 (26.7% / 931,000 people) adults in Scotland experience challenges due to their lack of literacy skills.

I find that page somewhat ironic as they claim 18% is one in six, but 17.4% is one in five. Seems numeracy is as big a challenge.

The US is no better according to wikipedia

> In 2023, 28% of adults scored at or below Level 1, 29% at Level 2, and 44% at Level 3 or above

> Adults scoring below Level 1 can comprehend simple sentences and short paragraphs with minimal structure but will struggle with multi-step instructions or complex sentences

> Adults scoring at Level 3 or above are considered "proficient at working with information and ideas in texts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#107

Post by m4xp »

expedition32 wrote: post #88
m4xp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is too much corruption, nothing can be done at this point. Atleast CIE app works on graphene for now so I can do everything else on the web. If they block that idk what I would even do.

Don't assume corruption for something that can be attributed to not giving a fuck.

I do assume corruption, All this random "compliance laws" are not made to help the people but to preserve corporate interest.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#108

Post by lwhi »

expedition32 wrote: post #88
m4xp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is too much corruption, nothing can be done at this point. Atleast CIE app works on graphene for now so I can do everything else on the web. If they block that idk what I would even do.

Don't assume corruption for something that can be attributed to not giving a fuck.

One set of people might not give a fuck.

Other interested parties can still be trying to steer the ship.

Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple

#110

Post by throwwwll »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #102
throwwwll wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where are the proofs > I know "chesterton fence", I smart

Went from nice to rude in no time. 4chan greentext style over substance is cute, but its outdated and wasnt that funny a decade ago if you have nothing to add, then why reply?

I have never been nice, but I admit I have no better literary device to concisely express my sentiment towards your flawed position, to put it nicely.

I am pro-regulation, where regulation for me is busting monopolies, preventing tragedy of commons, setting necessary quality checks, forbidding forced labor. I am against regulation, when it's chat control, 100% tarrifs on whatever, forbidding working on Friday past 17:00 and completely on Weekends. There's no nuance remaining in this world, people (the proselytizing nerd types) emotionally attach themselves to sophistry that is the spelled-out economic theories, while completely disregarding common sense. Missing forest for trees.

In short - fuck America.

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